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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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well it's not Richard Saunders and

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Stefan Soyka for the intro today it's

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actually Richard Saunders and dr. Richie

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hi dr. AG pirate said how I I'm really

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well welcome to the skeptic Zone episode

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number 26 for the 17th of April yes and

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where is Stefan he's in Hong Kong he's

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in Hong Kong is he what's he doing over

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there he's involved he'll probably tell

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a small when he gets back but he's

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involved in trade shows and fairs and

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things like that okay but he's doing

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some investigations while he's there

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about superstition and gambling and

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things is he really Wow that'll be

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interesting yeah we'll look forward to

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that so you're filling in for Stefan I

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am I'm filling in for Stefan and I'm not

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going to attempt to impersonate Stefan

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like I did last time yes some people

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weren't very impressed by wearing Kylie

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and my impersonation of you know Stefan

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I thought it was good we had some fun we

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did it cuz you were sick oh maybe you

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have your glue in your iron we were

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feeling a bit sad and Sophie don't worry

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however before Stefan left he caught up

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with yes Tim Minchin yes and we saw his

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show a few days before we did see a show

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wasn't it Fenton we were in the second

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row center so a great view we did in

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fact we almost got knocked out at one

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stage by him kicking a fan across the

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stage road which fell down the stairs

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right in front of our fans yeah but it

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was a brilliant show is hilarious and

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you did the palm storm he did do storm

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and you know what Richard I've heard

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storm so many times but seeing it live I

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just wanted to burst just wonderful as

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you were boasting all his loves you

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otherwise yes I was in fact as often

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happens to me at comedy shows somebody

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in the front row turned around to look

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at me a couple of times I didn't realize

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that it was against the rules to laugh

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at comedy show well there you go I often

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get people looking at me so ok so Tim

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Minchin yes and whereas I'm delighted to

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welcome all our new listeners who at Tim

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mentioned fans welcome to the skeptics

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are I hope you guys enjoy the rest of

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the show yeah because octant mention

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we've got you me during Doctor rachy

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reports and what's that about today uh

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it's about some new laws that have been

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brought in in New South Wales to

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regulate alternative and unregistered

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health practitioners

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yeah and after dr. Reggie we have the

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think tank where a couple of us or three

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of us this time get together in a local

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club have a few drinks and discuss

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skeptical matters and Dave the happy

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singer is once again our special guests

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for the think tank yeah and then we got

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a very special report from you we have

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yes now I didn't realize you were going

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to put this in the show Richard hmm I

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was just kind of goofing off in my front

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room late last night but anytime I send

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your audio and say don't put it in the

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show what do you do I put it in the show

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yes that's right well so it's very

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exciting it's Rachel being buzzed by a

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police helicopter it is yes yes and

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don't talk about that more at the end of

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this we will we will just let have a

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listen listeners and then we'll explain

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it's about time all those people waiting

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here to mention let's get into it that's

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g'day it's Stefan here ordinarily your

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host only on this lovely shoulders own

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but this week I've been thrown in the

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deep end and given my first interview

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thank you Richard and and what an

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interview it was I got to meet the

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legendary Tim mentioned the piano vocal

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comedian who has just been on a leg of

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his tour in Sydney and playing to

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sellout crowds but he took a few moments

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out in his wonderful laid-back hotel

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here in Surry Hills to chill out with me

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subjects from aliens to alternative

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medicine and all kinds of things around

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his performing career so let's let's

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have a listen and see how it all went I

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star-struck at first meeting such a

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legend but we eased into it and ER we

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add a bit of fun so here we go hi hey

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nice tits yeah at the end of this I want

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to be will be family to refine and

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almond bills Hitler this is just my show

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and involves great legal big rock band

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went over well packed out yeah and I had

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this cold but i disturb you know did all

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the sensible things red bull and red

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have fun um play with the duty of the

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band hope answer yeah yeah yeahs

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scaffold lights a bit of production at

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this shall I start singing through a

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distortion pedal here awesome so you get

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a wedding on Saturday night that was fun

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sir do you do a good way because I used

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to really enjoy my wedding gig set yeah

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display when my baby smiles on me I go

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to Rio for a doubt get the complement

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the hell is that look do I do the

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very pregnant as well so no way yeah so

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Danton and stuff and so this time I've

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position to do big shows any big

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annoys annoyance at a point where i can

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well-known this is gonna be something

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because you're certainly on the way it

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certainly kind of it and I'm out with my

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wife and baby and people know who I am

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summer material you doing with the likes

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of Europe obviously making fun of a lot

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of things do you ever get people come up

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offense to it to a line in a song and

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blow it out of proportion yeah well I

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want people to be upset by what I say

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got a few walkouts every now and then

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that quite early in my show because I'm

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who got into the emotive it before and I

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help right about it but I try and get

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bugbears this year it's just about moral

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hypocrisy about the idea that the Bible

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is perfect oh the only place you need to

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go to a few more guidance and don't tell

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me it's not mine jury's out on that and

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about obviously prejudice in the church

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tomorrow in ostracizing homosexuals the

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star that sort of stuff that angers me

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so I go pretty hard at that and people

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you're a good Christian and you don't

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hate me and you genuinely take Jesus's

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word it's basic philosophy Academy yeah

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that's right but you know I think you

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can the New Testament you can basically

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guy you know and if you take his love

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everyone including burgers lepers and

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prostitute and give away your money and

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staff literally then I if you are you

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are you're a better person than I am you

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our prejudices then so nothing I say in

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my show is knocking good Christians this

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is nothing the bad ones much the most of

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the ones I know it no a good nor bad

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they're like the rest of us they've got

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their predators laterz have that that

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filter over the top of it but um I had a

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really interesting email not introduced

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one of the really good ones from a 16

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year old guy last night saying you know

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Christian and he want to talk about

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evolution and came up with the one of

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the classic I'd a kind of curve balls

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about one of the Beatles that throws

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poison or something right I didn't have

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explanation for him but I wasn't really

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interested in that and but they're

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really intelligent six general guy

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that that overstated years yeah thousand

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ohm is desert actually media I just say

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fundamental problem with evolution who

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is in a Christian and then I'll start

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listening yeah it's only a philosophical

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prob

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but the other thing you said why do you

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lump us all together you know Christians

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about and good and all that and I

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haven't replied but i guess i'll say i

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don't i'm just criticizing the bad stuff

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if you're not that yeah you know it

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seems funny that they did they focus on

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evolution as if if it's mutually

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exclusive from believing in a creator

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where evolution doesn't try to explain

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origins anyway no it's just this process

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that happens and it's really just a

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problem with date accounting yeah you

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know it's just this whole 6,000 year

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thing it wasn't for that like you're

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quite really accept it yeah but they

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need it to get it over and also what i

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find funny is that yeah this is

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evolution right these are the thousands

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and thousands and millions of pieces of

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data that support this theory this idea

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that so so heavily supported that its

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scientific fact yeah all that and they

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go but what about this I do not

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understand how this beetle you can cook

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the inner can you squirt poison because

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that poison in a laboratory combust but

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in its body it has a an enzyme that

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neutralize it and you're like okay so

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you've found a beetle that you can't get

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into evolution understand therefore God

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yeah it's me it could be there for

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pencil is therefore dragon or you know

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it's like yeah it's it's the false

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dichotomy of ever if evolution has a

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crack in it therefore the Bible we're

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not there for the core and all there for

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the pigs an e-book and why not therefore

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Robin Hood yeah it's really weird and

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really intelligent people seem to not

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have a problem with that moans dichotomy

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it's pretty we're the Crocodoc thing you

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heard about that one that that guy from

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the family ties hammer seen Christianity

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and going against evolution he says well

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show me a Crocodoc and then I'll believe

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everything you know Andy what I like a

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transitional fossil yeah yeah of a

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cropper two and a half a crocodile half

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a duck you know and because of that

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yes the whole I think I know it's a

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primer and turn could camp here

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currently nuts no James can he's good

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yeah yeah its outlet are telling that

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was a good thing today so do you get

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into on the on the net you participate a

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lot in that stuff there's a less as you

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Alex Izzie the glut becomes more and

328
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more I mean I I try to reply to well

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written emails if someone insults me on

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email my human compulsion is to apply

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and defend myself and I I'm trying to

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get better than that but at that at not

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bothering with that you know someone

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comes in heart they're not you're not

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going to help him you know no no but you

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still feel in need of course all you're

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doing is saying yourself and I think one

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of the one of the best things you can

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try and do as a human is discern between

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when all you're doing is defending

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yourself and when you're actually going

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to help someone yes and if if you're not

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actually going to help someone just shut

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up just take a blow and yeah you know

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turn the other cheek me a problem is

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Josh would say yeah but I I used to get

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a bit into it I get really amazing and

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the reason i find this what you guys do

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interesting and stuff is because

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although i started just writing stupid

351
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songs and I all I do is write about

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things I think about them out to change

353
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the world or anything i'll just write

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about stuff that i thought that i read

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about because what else were right about

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I can't read about right about stuff I

357
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don't think about so um but but as it's

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got a bit more exposure i realize almost

359
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regretfully no no I'm it's fun that that

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there is a there's always a role that's

361
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always a seriously it's nothing going on

362
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because you're offering up questions or

363
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at least you're making people question

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or asking them to question yeah and

365
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there's some obligation to continue the

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dialogue if you do

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that out there so if so on you know I

368
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have amazing emails about people people

369
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saying thank you so much I've always my

370
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family it's really buddy Justin

371
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otherwise don't know you've really given

372
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me a you know you've been a gateway drug

373
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you know well it's funny how human kind

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of does do that and we try and do a

375
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little bit on the show occasionally you

376
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don't we oh there ya know it's sort of

377
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like you by pointing pointing people the

378
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absurdities i think is a really good

379
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thing because it just makes you can't

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defend something it's so absurd and you

381
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can't defend its heart your defenses it

382
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out when you're laughing as well I let

383
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it cashed in music I mean all I'm doing

384
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is making things consumable that are

385
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otherwise difficult to consume and we

386
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were talking before each other thing all

387
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about about a do then the the icons of

388
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of critical thinking dolphins and

389
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Hitchens these brilliant wonderful

390
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commercially old dudes I mean they're

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wicked but they're not all we need we

392
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know we don't wanna we don't want to be

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at available icona sighs whatever the

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word is these people who are their

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representatives and I mean there's some

396
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other people really well articulating

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our thoughts but yeah it's we're all

398
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talking to them you're on yeah it should

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and and so I'm just trying well as I say

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it's not my intention but now that I

401
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look at what I'm doing I guess I'm

402
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contributing to some information out

403
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there just like come sure you know

404
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there's Christian rock bands

405
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contributing to the other side for the

406
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kids they know how to package I mean the

407
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Pentecostals know how to package their

408
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message to get to the kit there's an

409
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idea be grand showdown geek you know

410
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I've just been thinking about how I'm

411
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going to start my next show the little

412
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spoiler here I think I'm going to start

413
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my next show saying I'm sorry I've I

414
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found your oh no no I want to i'm going

415
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to do a hue I'm just going to top of the

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show bring out a choir and do a whole

417
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thing go thank you Jesus thank you Jesus

418
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for saving me for all the wonderful

419
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things in my life thank you Jesus for

420
00:16:45,689 --> 00:16:43,449
killing African kids and not me

421
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oh yeah beautiful it'll be good

422
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beautiful moment yeah thank you for

423
00:16:53,009 --> 00:16:49,389
giving cancer to that child and not me

424
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thank you experiencing lovely inhaler oh

425
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no that's right which of course he does

426
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thank you for making me white

427
00:17:01,169 --> 00:16:59,769
middle-class I need to write oh oh you I

428
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know it's right just remind me I think

429
00:17:05,129 --> 00:17:03,129
yeah the quite the idea that God's

430
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racist I think I'm sure someone's done

431
00:17:09,870 --> 00:17:07,209
lots of it so I write it down now yeah

432
00:17:11,819 --> 00:17:09,880
for Graham oh yeah alternative medicine

433
00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:11,829
do you have much to do with it have you

434
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ever been have you ever been to a

435
00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:15,279
practitioner of alternative medicine

436
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:19,209
well I mean I'm the son and the grandson

437
00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:24,970
of a surgeon so I'm third generation you

438
00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:30,130
know Western medicine yeah um but I

439
00:17:36,629 --> 00:17:34,570
never really I mean I i love what my dad

440
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does and i think it's really good at it

441
00:17:41,399 --> 00:17:38,500
and stuff and it but i never he's never

442
00:17:44,789 --> 00:17:41,409
brought his work home and I mean we are

443
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you it wouldn't be allowed this is a

444
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tumor from the bow of a patient yet

445
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probably get in trouble for that but

446
00:17:54,180 --> 00:17:52,269
he's never sort of come home talk about

447
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work nor put any pressure on any of his

448
00:17:59,039 --> 00:17:56,100
four kids to do it and none of us have

449
00:18:02,009 --> 00:17:59,049
but obviously there's something in me

450
00:18:04,169 --> 00:18:02,019
that has that sort of my dad and my dad

451
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and my granddad's kind of very organized

452
00:18:10,139 --> 00:18:07,179
no where's the brain thought but the

453
00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:10,149
brain dial thinking but um I never

454
00:18:14,669 --> 00:18:11,710
really thought it's quite recent for me

455
00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:14,679
really looking into all that stuff and I

456
00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:16,600
was sort of taking echinacea i got a

457
00:18:21,629 --> 00:18:17,980
call of the stuff but I've always been

458
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kind to oh yeah to read to read the

459
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stuff and change my behavior so I I

460
00:18:27,779 --> 00:18:26,110
eventually got pretty convinced that

461
00:18:30,060 --> 00:18:27,789
echinacea doesn't work so I'm taking it

462
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and of course saw no difference in deep

463
00:18:34,169 --> 00:18:33,190
recovery and I'm still I I'm still

464
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trying to find out a bit more about

465
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vitamin C and stuff because my

466
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understand now you have to absolutely

467
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mega does you only wear has any effect

468
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as if you basically get an injection of

469
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butter freeze ages in exactly the right

470
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moment you know for ipad

471
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anyway I'm but when my wife was had my

472
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first daughter she had terrible pain

473
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breastfeeding and stuff and we paid some

474
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ridiculous amount for a breastfeeding

475
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consultant for the center's to homie

476
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Pathan so this is only two years ago and

477
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I and I was already was pretty sure that

478
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was nonsense but I didn't really

479
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understand what homeopathy was right

480
00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:20,809
okay the mixing you know muffin proper

481
00:19:26,019 --> 00:19:23,870
legged legged I lotions and you know

482
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scientifically impossible claims

483
00:19:31,450 --> 00:19:29,450
physically impossible claims and and I

484
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just notice as most people do it there

485
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to see the sort of herbal oh you have

486
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been a property and stop people just see

487
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,490
it all together oh there must be some

488
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:38,960
good you know if your turn ative

489
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,450
medicine or tenant medicine so but my

490
00:19:46,419 --> 00:19:44,000
wife is in so much pain that when I

491
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started to learn more about that i found

492
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that Audrey really crossed that that

493
00:19:53,379 --> 00:19:51,710
this is what that that someone that we

494
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were paying a lot of money had told us

495
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that some absolute quack product it was

496
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the solution to really physical physical

497
00:20:04,450 --> 00:20:02,000
all the pain that was causing a huge

498
00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:04,460
emotional stress and starfish should

499
00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:05,750
just give it up breastfeeding really the

500
00:20:10,869 --> 00:20:09,320
shoes really wanted to devotion and then

501
00:20:12,639 --> 00:20:10,879
of course you look into it and find out

502
00:20:14,649 --> 00:20:12,649
they offer alternatives to childhood

503
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:14,659
vaccines and then he starts from there

504
00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:16,250
should be in jail and then people write

505
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to you and then you're defending your

506
00:20:21,970 --> 00:20:19,730
clients with our discovery kids yelling

507
00:20:24,009 --> 00:20:21,980
oh that's good you know I recently did

508
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that I wrote a reply to our homeopath

509
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saying I think people who offered

510
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alternative childhood vaccine should be

511
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in jail because no risking children's

512
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lives in a non evidential mode and and I

513
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got huge I posted online and twittered

514
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do you think I should send this oh yeah

515
00:20:42,430 --> 00:20:41,059
hosted the reply online do you think I

516
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:42,440
should send this and I've got I've got

517
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one

518
00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:47,140
10 or 11,000 people we approach and bam

519
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,260
and fans of mine saying I think your why

520
00:20:52,890 --> 00:20:51,520
you being so horrible to this person

521
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:52,900
just because you don't believe it

522
00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:56,050
doesn't mean and it was really good that

523
00:21:00,990 --> 00:20:58,510
was actually I felt a bit bad because I

524
00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:01,000
don't think I that's not my job my job

525
00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:03,040
is to be funny and so I was a bit of

526
00:21:07,470 --> 00:21:06,070
where I was crossing into you know well

527
00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:07,480
I guess that's the thing with this sort

528
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:09,460
of there's always the two sides of the

529
00:21:12,810 --> 00:21:10,690
story because there will be people

530
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:12,820
anecdotally say are having up with these

531
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:15,970
fantastic even if it's completely bunkum

532
00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:19,570
yeah and so if you inter alia debate of

533
00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:22,630
you're in such a strong position when

534
00:21:28,890 --> 00:21:25,510
you're when you and I am a scientific

535
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process because all you say is do you

536
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,330
understand that the the great

537
00:21:36,270 --> 00:21:34,240
breakthrough of humanity was figuring

538
00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:36,280
out how to make decisions about things

539
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:39,150
whilst discarding human foibles so

540
00:21:43,890 --> 00:21:41,530
anecdotal evidence involves all your

541
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:43,900
subjectivity we do it like this we don't

542
00:21:49,050 --> 00:21:46,720
have that anymore why surely do you

543
00:21:51,420 --> 00:21:49,060
understand how powerful that is and if

544
00:21:52,620 --> 00:21:51,430
they don't then that's what you have to

545
00:21:55,050 --> 00:21:52,630
explain to them and there they are

546
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:55,060
debating it on on the computer yeah that

547
00:22:00,810 --> 00:21:58,330
was right appear only I do because yeah

548
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:00,820
yeah it's an extremely powerful thing

549
00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:03,760
and a very basic thing and something

550
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:05,920
I've come to quite like I've always been

551
00:22:09,570 --> 00:22:07,570
an atheist I've always been an

552
00:22:12,510 --> 00:22:09,580
empiricist really i don't have never

553
00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:12,520
believed in ghosts or psychics or

554
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:13,300
anything like that because I just

555
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:15,610
because it's quite simple you'd have to

556
00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:18,400
know much to go really or just apply

557
00:22:21,420 --> 00:22:19,990
Occam's razor to go is that more like

558
00:22:22,890 --> 00:22:21,430
million souls doing circus tricks or

559
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:22,900
more likely that they're talking to dead

560
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:25,600
people and if the latter by what process

561
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:26,890
what do you mean talking to dead people

562
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:29,890
have their voice box is rotten so

563
00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:31,570
without a voice box how they talk and

564
00:22:37,050 --> 00:22:34,120
and by what means and if it's you know

565
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:37,060
just it doesn't take much to be just

566
00:22:41,910 --> 00:22:38,890
guessing all about that but things like

567
00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:41,920
but really understanding as I'm still

568
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:45,430
learning why science as powerful is is a

569
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:47,650
new step towards being boring of dinner

570
00:22:52,930 --> 00:22:49,250
parties yeah

571
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:52,940
like with storm yeah like stop for stock

572
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:56,640
so with your own performing and stuff

573
00:23:01,880 --> 00:22:59,460
you have because with some of these sort

574
00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:01,890
of new agey kind of things that there

575
00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:03,750
are people move into rituals and and

576
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:05,070
that sort of stuff do you have any kind

577
00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:06,840
of performance rituals that you do the

578
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:08,430
warm-up the state that are actually that

579
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:10,290
actually work because their behavioral

580
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:13,770
based like focusing or don't really I do

581
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:16,110
what I'm acting well I did when I

582
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:20,250
haven't a stage acting for a while and I

583
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:24,600
never had a really sort of fixed process

584
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:26,730
now I'll iron my shirt and put on my

585
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:29,010
makeup and that pattern that seems to

586
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,290
put me into the right yeah of this thing

587
00:23:35,660 --> 00:23:33,360
you go what about learning lines and

588
00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:35,670
what sort of staff or creating is there

589
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:37,320
anything that you do there I'm pretty

590
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:39,810
boring really and and it's probably

591
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:41,730
reflects in my work as well works

592
00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:45,570
extremely you know to use the artificial

593
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:47,550
division extremely brain and not very

594
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:53,130
hard I have my moments of writing from

595
00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:55,530
the heart photo but you think your way

596
00:23:59,360 --> 00:23:57,750
through everything when you work in all

597
00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:59,370
your life and so if it's a real quite a

598
00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:01,620
man later pro so yeah I'm quite a sort

599
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:04,350
of yeah but it's time to fit writer

600
00:24:09,860 --> 00:24:07,110
rather than a you know i'm no bob dylan

601
00:24:12,530 --> 00:24:09,870
and as always we're taking a skeptical

602
00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:12,540
view point if that's the title you know

603
00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:16,470
that you that suits you or whatever I

604
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:18,870
think Sam Harris is interesting on this

605
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,080
because our Harris and obviously and the

606
00:24:25,910 --> 00:24:24,360
god stuff is extremely anti organized

607
00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:25,920
religion but he's totally into

608
00:24:32,030 --> 00:24:29,100
Transcendental Meditation sure oh and

609
00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:32,040
look maybe maybe he's misguided about

610
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:35,100
that but I certainly don't think it's

611
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:36,890
something that everyone who has a

612
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:40,500
naturalistic worldview has to find for

613
00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:44,690
themselves a line where they're not

614
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:47,630
just crossing over into clothes yeah

615
00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:50,150
closing their mind too short cool stuff

616
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:53,180
I don't have any problem with the idea

617
00:24:58,210 --> 00:24:56,330
of meditating or yoga or anything i have

618
00:24:59,650 --> 00:24:58,220
a problem with connecting that to some

619
00:25:02,800 --> 00:24:59,660
concept of the afterlife or

620
00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:02,810
reincarnation yeah but I I don't even

621
00:25:08,290 --> 00:25:04,940
have a problem with people taking acid

622
00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:08,300
and I don't do any of that but I i'm

623
00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:10,430
completely willing to accept that taking

624
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,960
lots of drugs and stuff will help you

625
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:13,760
creatively was part of a human

626
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:15,770
experience it won't take what helped me

627
00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:17,930
creatively because I'm a creative nerd

628
00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:19,820
but it might help you make wacky

629
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,590
painting it might help you be Jackson

630
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:23,360
Pollock whatever what of it do you find

631
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:25,490
it when you say you you create

632
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,110
intellectually you must still get that

633
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:29,360
buzz when all the words come together

634
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:31,730
and you just go are you I've nailed this

635
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:34,490
one well yeah I don't know if I ever

636
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,110
feel that but something like the storm

637
00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:39,200
which um for those of you don't know is

638
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:42,560
it is a poem cepted no jazz looked

639
00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:48,490
stolen off logic um so the studio in gag

640
00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:51,380
that is that tells story of a dinner

641
00:25:55,450 --> 00:25:54,020
party and and when i wrote you know it

642
00:25:56,740 --> 00:25:55,460
specially made listening to someone talk

643
00:25:57,730 --> 00:25:56,750
about psychics and auras in the

644
00:25:59,290 --> 00:25:57,740
afterlife and all that and then

645
00:26:01,600 --> 00:25:59,300
eventually snapping and going actually

646
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:01,610
I'm and saying all the things actually I

647
00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:03,890
don't I don't tend to say dinner pay so

648
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:05,720
try not to ruin dinner parties and also

649
00:26:11,290 --> 00:26:07,640
i'm not as articulate when I don't have

650
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:11,300
time to make it rhyme you know it was 25

651
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:13,160
minutes when i first wrote it you know

652
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:15,170
is this rambling thing and because i'm

653
00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:17,530
always inclined to justify my positions

654
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:19,790
it because you know when i started

655
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:22,130
laughing yeah just went out this way and

656
00:26:26,650 --> 00:26:24,170
that way and start talking about you

657
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:26,660
know chinese medicine and you know how

658
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,630
the how

659
00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:30,000
how acupuncture came to be popular

660
00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:33,150
simply because they think German mouth

661
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:35,430
didn't have money to help his people so

662
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:37,530
this went yeah this is this ancient

663
00:26:43,550 --> 00:26:39,510
stuffs really good you know allah and

664
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:43,560
that kind of condescending western you

665
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:45,930
know i'm into eastern spirit or online

666
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:49,530
nah you just you just bored and went all

667
00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:51,330
those different directions and I just

668
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:53,190
had to tighten it tighten and timers

669
00:26:57,740 --> 00:26:55,620
like chipping away that's a real process

670
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:57,750
yeah you do it at the computer or you

671
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:00,960
wear no computer computer yeah so get

672
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:02,760
whole chance go I don't want to give

673
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:04,050
that up but i'm going to put it there

674
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:07,770
and you know I've got pages of stuff but

675
00:27:14,030 --> 00:27:11,100
uh I I find it very satisfying but in

676
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:14,040
the same way and someone's eating it so

677
00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:15,720
you think you know really you must get a

678
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:18,750
faster like like when I first perform

679
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:20,940
something on stage that I think might be

680
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:24,120
good I mean that poem it took me so long

681
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:25,620
to write much longer than anything I've

682
00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:27,390
ever written before just because of me

683
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:28,830
trying to condense my ideas and

684
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:31,770
realizing how heavy it was that I knew

685
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,810
through all those hours of training the

686
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,340
back and chat right and all that that if

687
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,200
it didn't go well on stage I just have

688
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:39,120
to dump it I mean you have to accept

689
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:41,310
that not everything you do is going to

690
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:44,340
work and so when that first went on

691
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:50,010
stage and people with me yeah I think so

692
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:51,930
you must have a few things that you had

693
00:27:55,790 --> 00:27:53,730
to discard and if you got you like

694
00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:55,800
you're at you I wish these worked or I

695
00:27:59,420 --> 00:27:57,150
wish I could pull these out and do the

696
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:59,430
to be honest usually I'm pretty

697
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,620
appreciate about that usually they go

698
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,840
before they get on stage and if I put

699
00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:05,760
them on stage it means of you pretty

700
00:28:09,770 --> 00:28:08,430
hard factum storm was an exception

701
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:09,780
because I knew it was trading the line

702
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:11,400
where it wasn't satire anymore it's just

703
00:28:18,260 --> 00:28:14,520
a pre uh-huh but mostly if I decide to

704
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:18,270
put something on stage at it stays yeah

705
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:21,090
of course we poor audio out there that's

706
00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:23,970
right it's more for me a lot of

707
00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:25,950
comedians do in five minutes ten minutes

708
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:26,440
and

709
00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:31,710
it's more like a I'm more like you know

710
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:34,360
slightly wanky analogy but more like a

711
00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:35,710
painter guys this is my latest

712
00:28:39,779 --> 00:28:37,720
exhibition these are my table everything

713
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,789
I've worked on that's it you know by the

714
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:41,919
more don't ya I'm not gonna go paint

715
00:28:47,009 --> 00:28:44,799
over that now that I've done it yeah so

716
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:47,019
speaking of whether people buy it or not

717
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:48,220
you're going to try and push into

718
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:50,350
America is that the yeah it's a lot of

719
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:51,940
starting to happen yeah I've done little

720
00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:54,850
bits there I mean I went okay you know

721
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:56,740
I've sort of put my toe in three times

722
00:29:01,470 --> 00:28:58,450
and every time i get really positive

723
00:29:04,889 --> 00:29:01,480
reactions but i just like it's really

724
00:29:06,749 --> 00:29:04,899
hard to build its big a career in three

725
00:29:09,930 --> 00:29:06,759
continents at once and they are still

726
00:29:12,539 --> 00:29:09,940
lonely getting written in australia down

727
00:29:15,690 --> 00:29:12,549
and I've got a kid i'm doing i'm writing

728
00:29:17,369 --> 00:29:15,700
a musical this year and you know so I'm

729
00:29:19,649 --> 00:29:17,379
just trying to work out how to do it I

730
00:29:22,019 --> 00:29:19,659
guess the web's being good in that way

731
00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:22,029
it is getting a name out there it really

732
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:24,460
is a lot of messages from Americans

733
00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:25,570
going to come to America you know

734
00:29:29,639 --> 00:29:27,820
everyday people more and more people are

735
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:29,649
sort of discovering me and that's a

736
00:29:33,899 --> 00:29:31,240
great thing about the u.s. is there so

737
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:33,909
especially the college know the old line

738
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:36,129
thing is so such a massive part of that

739
00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:39,419
kind of culture is it a matter of some

740
00:29:44,909 --> 00:29:42,190
some way signing signing away something

741
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:44,919
to get in with the big people over there

742
00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:47,500
yeah well I keep the urban did yeah sort

743
00:29:52,049 --> 00:29:49,960
of get to that point where you to crack

744
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:52,059
it being I've got a I've got to sell

745
00:29:58,499 --> 00:29:54,250
sell myself in some way if you think

746
00:30:00,840 --> 00:29:58,509
that I don't know that would ya I don't

747
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:00,850
know I'm certainly not going to change

748
00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:02,590
what I do for America because i think

749
00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:05,470
what i do will suit auntie conservative

750
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:07,720
Americans just fine you know me I think

751
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:10,960
some of the most radical and to consider

752
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:12,700
satire the most radical and too

753
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,049
conservative SAT around the world comes

754
00:30:17,610 --> 00:30:16,240
out of America despite the English in

755
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:17,620
Australia and snobbery well they don't

756
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,570
get they don't get already like we do it

757
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:22,000
oh well they go but a lot of um

758
00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:23,769
galavan that's right but a lot of

759
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Australians don't either i I don't think

760
00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:28,090
there's a huge cultural distinction

761
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:30,100
there they gasp but the gods staff more

762
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:31,870
because culturally there they're taught

763
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:35,200
to be more respectful but they like it

764
00:30:40,529 --> 00:30:38,559
they discuss you know but I'm hoping to

765
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:40,539
spend some time there next year it comes

766
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:42,070
down to stupid things like people like

767
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:43,990
why can't I get your CD in America site

768
00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:46,330
because I'm on this deal and I'm meant

769
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:47,830
to be releasing my DVD through that

770
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:50,049
company and that deal so it's it becomes

771
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:53,529
about lawyers so there is stuff going on

772
00:30:57,299 --> 00:30:55,330
and I've got an agent over there in a

773
00:30:58,919 --> 00:30:57,309
manager and they're all going come over

774
00:31:00,990 --> 00:30:58,929
we'll make you a star and it's mostly

775
00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:01,000
maybe maybe some of that's true

776
00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:02,440
I just got to get over there so that

777
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:05,020
mostly you business-wise based in

778
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:07,570
Australia now in London on me I'm in

779
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,200
London my home is in London I suppose

780
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:13,360
yeah you're like an earlier yeah I love

781
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:16,570
it and yeah we have a great little life

782
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:20,260
you know London's still the great place

783
00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:22,809
the comedy it's all you it really free

784
00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:27,640
very absolutely and it suits me I don't

785
00:31:34,620 --> 00:31:30,100
know what I'd do it Australia you can't

786
00:31:36,779 --> 00:31:34,630
to my main thing I'm dabbling also stuff

787
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:36,789
my main thing is being a live performer

788
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,490
and in the UK you can just go as we're

789
00:31:44,669 --> 00:31:42,159
leader theatre theatre theatre and make

790
00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:44,679
a proper living and then pop home to

791
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:46,270
London the same night the next morning

792
00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:48,370
have a meeting at the BBC about a TV

793
00:31:52,529 --> 00:31:50,020
show that they could possibly make

794
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,539
whereas here you do a couple of gigs and

795
00:31:55,470 --> 00:31:53,919
that's it for the year you get one

796
00:31:57,299 --> 00:31:55,480
meeting the OBC oh we don't have any

797
00:31:58,980 --> 00:31:57,309
money but we love you and you know and

798
00:32:00,990 --> 00:31:58,990
it's a turtle oh I don't want that to be

799
00:32:03,149 --> 00:32:01,000
cat the cat is the case of course are

800
00:32:05,159 --> 00:32:03,159
amazing exceptions that Krista there are

801
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:05,169
people doing it maybe I don't have the

802
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:06,700
fortitude oh yeah or maybe it will

803
00:32:10,649 --> 00:32:08,890
happen for me here later want to come

804
00:32:12,029 --> 00:32:10,659
back with other is a small market isn't

805
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,039
it I mean you can only do tamil with our

806
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:14,799
sell something yeah that's that's right

807
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:18,070
glasses yes one little questions going

808
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:20,590
to ask you what what is your nail ians

809
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,710
aliens yeah what what what is your take

810
00:32:28,669 --> 00:32:25,120
on that like lately they've been doing

811
00:32:30,139 --> 00:32:28,679
all this habitable zone exploration yeah

812
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:30,149
mining planets that could be earth-like

813
00:32:35,419 --> 00:32:32,850
and yeah what's yours what's the

814
00:32:38,539 --> 00:32:35,429
hypothesis i under scare tissue hello

815
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,549
what's the hypothesis who's the dude who

816
00:32:43,249 --> 00:32:41,519
said that if there's a planet we should

817
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:43,259
get this light reading office because if

818
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:46,740
there's a society that is well beyond

819
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:49,019
ours they would have built solar panels

820
00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:50,399
around them at it and it should look

821
00:32:55,460 --> 00:32:52,830
like this on our ratings well and I

822
00:32:57,499 --> 00:32:55,470
don't have that one did yes me listening

823
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,509
to the skeptics guide yeah I don't

824
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:58,799
understand most of what they're saying

825
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:00,419
but um yeah what's your take another do

826
00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:01,769
you think that do you think there's a

827
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,990
chance that the universe just full of

828
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,240
all sorts of life and and the sort of

829
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:08,100
thing that happened on earth is probably

830
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:09,929
the sort of thing that scientifically

831
00:33:15,379 --> 00:33:11,850
would happen kind of anywhere with the

832
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:15,389
same sort of conditions gut feeling or

833
00:33:20,239 --> 00:33:17,610
mathematically that my position has

834
00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:20,249
always been and it might be a little

835
00:33:24,859 --> 00:33:22,470
life that mathematically if the universe

836
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:24,869
and especially if it's a multiverses is

837
00:33:31,879 --> 00:33:29,850
as close to infinitely big as we can

838
00:33:33,399 --> 00:33:31,889
conceive then mathematically the

839
00:33:35,869 --> 00:33:33,409
likelihood of this having happened

840
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:35,879
infinite almost infinite times is

841
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:39,179
extremely high but that's the math that

842
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:42,419
the fact is you could have an almost the

843
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:44,190
chances of this happening might be one

844
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,809
in infinity that's right so we don't put

845
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,480
it this way their chance of there being

846
00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:53,039
intelligent alien life are for me

847
00:33:57,259 --> 00:33:54,539
infinitely higher than the chance of

848
00:33:59,989 --> 00:33:57,269
there being a creator god yeah unless

849
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,999
the aliens the Creator God well that's

850
00:34:03,259 --> 00:34:01,740
not a tuning so but still that's all

851
00:34:04,639 --> 00:34:03,269
more likely if you look forward to

852
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,649
something something happening in that

853
00:34:09,049 --> 00:34:06,480
with you kind of keep your eyes and ears

854
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:09,059
are you as a stargazer no lie awake

855
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:11,879
every body Willy's baby alien colonnades

856
00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:14,700
hate evil as well I've sick a big a nerd

857
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:17,669
in a rock star world I didn't know thank

858
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:18,990
me away I think it's funny in a way

859
00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:22,619
because it would certainly change our

860
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,419
perspective like once I went there so

861
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:26,339
even if it's there's some fungus growing

862
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:28,580
on another planet it would certainly

863
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:30,230
change a lot of people's perspective I

864
00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:32,450
think and that's probably what I love to

865
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:34,640
think it did I think we're so hardwired

866
00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:37,010
to think that the universe revolves

867
00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:39,950
around us that I don't think Galileo

868
00:34:44,110 --> 00:34:42,080
Copernicus and all the big guys put

869
00:34:46,150 --> 00:34:44,120
together of ever even chipped away at

870
00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:46,160
the human a desire to feel like the

871
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:47,660
universal rolls around them which of

872
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:49,730
course it don't look good yes primates

873
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:52,310
in the world but not only that just like

874
00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:53,990
I say you can only look outwards from

875
00:34:58,030 --> 00:34:55,790
your tiny mind I mean it doesn't matter

876
00:34:59,560 --> 00:34:58,040
what you conceive over how much time you

877
00:35:01,810 --> 00:34:59,570
spend thinking about the Stars and how

878
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:01,820
small you are you wake up in an austere

879
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:04,190
human and when the taxi splashes you

880
00:35:08,830 --> 00:35:07,370
wonder why the taxi splashed you know

881
00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:08,840
there's only one way to look at the

882
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,000
world I don't believe anyone who claims

883
00:35:15,070 --> 00:35:13,040
not to be assaulted but i think it's

884
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:15,080
change i would suggest it could be

885
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:17,210
changing a bit with the whole network

886
00:35:23,260 --> 00:35:20,530
world the people starting to have to

887
00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:23,270
basically surrender their individuality

888
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:27,320
in a sea of this massive population of

889
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:29,750
people like you get on a totally not

890
00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:31,490
ebay and when you get on youtube twitter

891
00:35:35,590 --> 00:35:34,040
i mean you could have a thousand be a

892
00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:35,600
thousand but you haven't got a hundred

893
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:39,080
thousand yeah yeah i don't think it it

894
00:35:43,050 --> 00:35:40,730
comes down to a semantics really i mean

895
00:35:45,630 --> 00:35:43,060
the question of altruism is really

896
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:45,640
interesting and how that's changing um

897
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:49,480
because of information and our access to

898
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:52,070
mostly historically if we see a bit a

899
00:35:57,310 --> 00:35:54,170
grainy footage of a whole lot of iranian

900
00:35:59,230 --> 00:35:57,320
women going on we going forget it we

901
00:36:02,020 --> 00:35:59,240
don't understand their grieving they're

902
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:02,030
different from us we don't feel the

903
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:04,010
emotional pool we feel when we see the

904
00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:08,290
bushfires not even close however tsunami

905
00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:12,620
was a absolute almost see change status

906
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:17,840
may our wave of altruism I mean we we we

907
00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:20,810
gave at an unprecedented level two

908
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:22,760
people who are not in our group yeah and

909
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:25,160
and that's really interesting so so

910
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:27,830
we're behaving more as if we understand

911
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:29,810
that other people matter and all that

912
00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:33,110
however yeah altruism is always a

913
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:34,670
selfish act because you go I feel better

914
00:36:36,839 --> 00:36:35,470
now

915
00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:36,849
that's right that that's beside the

916
00:36:40,859 --> 00:36:39,700
point it's still good to give just

917
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:40,869
because it makes you feel better doesn't

918
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,790
mean it's not better than not mmm yeah

919
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:45,040
sure you can make yourself feel better

920
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:47,080
by giving your money away or you can

921
00:36:52,109 --> 00:36:49,570
make self bit be better feel better by

922
00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:52,119
getting a whole lot of teenage to

923
00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:55,480
sniff cocaine off your bum you know just

924
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:57,190
because that they're both selfish acts

925
00:37:01,980 --> 00:36:58,810
but one owns a better selfish act than

926
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:01,990
the other which 1i what this is only

927
00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:04,030
gonna have to end lagoon in many times

928
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:05,740
and we've done the double-blind

929
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:07,900
experiment that's not where the altruism

930
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:10,450
or crack are better for making

931
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:12,040
you feel good about yourself well Tim

932
00:37:16,109 --> 00:37:13,540
it's been really good to have you

933
00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:16,119
sitting out by the pool it's a little

934
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:17,500
bit it's a glorious you won't ever

935
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:19,990
understand how cool we are the lifestyle

936
00:37:26,609 --> 00:37:23,590
that is leave leading is not babies this

937
00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:26,619
guy well we'll see you next time I

938
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:27,790
brought to that will best for the rest

939
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,040
of the talk okay bye I'm Carly Sturgis

940
00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:41,200
and the first podcast I ever listened to

941
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:43,900
was skeptic ality because of skeptic

942
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,609
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943
00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:48,160
Eugenie Scott scott sigler michael

944
00:37:53,579 --> 00:37:50,680
shermer Simon Singh and Jennifer Michael

945
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:53,589
hate amongst many others skeptic ality

946
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:55,690
led me to listen to the astronomy cast

947
00:38:00,540 --> 00:37:57,970
point of inquiry podcast and the

948
00:38:02,099 --> 00:38:00,550
geologic podcast it was also thanks to

949
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:02,109
skeptic ality that I was first

950
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:03,910
introduced to the work of a man named

951
00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:05,890
Richard Saunders when he was interviewed

952
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:08,380
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953
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,660
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954
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955
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,680
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956
00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:17,200
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957
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958
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959
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961
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:42,730
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962
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,830
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963
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:46,960
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964
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:49,359
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965
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966
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:54,730
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967
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968
00:39:00,859 --> 00:38:58,480
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969
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970
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:07,090
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971
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:14,020
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972
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:20,690
have you ever heard of a friend having a

973
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:21,960
bad time with an alternative

974
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,510
practitioner may be there acupuncturists

975
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:26,400
left them bruised and battered or their

976
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:27,900
homeopath told them they could cure

977
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:29,790
their incurable disease with an

978
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:32,090
expensive potion only it wasn't to be

979
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:35,369
maybe it's happened to you but what

980
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:36,990
would you do if this did happen to you

981
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:38,910
who could you turn to for help or to

982
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:41,970
make a complaint hello everyone and

983
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:45,660
welcome to dr. Reggie reports for many

984
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:47,730
years now unregistered practitioners

985
00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:50,790
such as naturopaths acupuncturists Reiki

986
00:39:55,850 --> 00:39:53,100
practitioners massage therapists

987
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:55,860
iridology dieticians and the like have

988
00:39:59,840 --> 00:39:57,930
been without any accountability for

989
00:40:03,350 --> 00:39:59,850
selling bogus or dangerous products

990
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:03,360
and/or services in Australia we have the

991
00:40:07,690 --> 00:40:04,980
federally controlled Therapeutic Goods

992
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:07,700
Administration which is responsible for

993
00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:10,650
safeguarding public health and safety in

994
00:40:16,340 --> 00:40:12,840
Australia by regulating medicines

995
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,350
medical devices blood and tissues but

996
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:18,720
this does not include unregistered and

997
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,710
alternative health practitioners in New

998
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:24,540
South Wales a code of conduct for

999
00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:26,490
unregistered practitioners was released

1000
00:40:33,590 --> 00:40:31,830
on August the first 2008 this was to

1001
00:40:35,470 --> 00:40:33,600
fill a loophole for the regulation of

1002
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:35,480
health providers who are not registered

1003
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,650
which meant that although the public

1004
00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:38,880
could lodge a complaint about a

1005
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:41,580
practitioner the body could do know much

1006
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:44,910
more than slap them on the rest the new

1007
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:47,490
code of conduct consists of 17 sections

1008
00:40:52,220 --> 00:40:49,980
covering such matters as practitioners

1009
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:52,230
are to provide services in a safe and

1010
00:40:57,609 --> 00:40:55,230
ethical manner practitioners are not to

1011
00:40:59,420 --> 00:40:57,619
financially exploit clients and

1012
00:41:03,170 --> 00:40:59,430
practitioners are required to have

1013
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:03,180
clinical basis for their treatment the

1014
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:05,070
new legislation means that they can be

1015
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:06,810
banned from practicing if they breach

1016
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:10,440
the code the code is ISM is administered

1017
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:12,330
by the healthcare Complaints Commission

1018
00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:16,350
and if breached the quote Commission has

1019
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:18,980
the power to impose a prohibition order

1020
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:21,660
and/or to issue a public warning about

1021
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:24,920
the practitioner and their services a

1022
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,180
prohibition order bans a practitioner

1023
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:29,760
from providing health services or places

1024
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:31,619
conditions on their provision of health

1025
00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:32,280
services

1026
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:35,100
for a specified period or permanently

1027
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:38,190
and it is a criminal offense to breach

1028
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:41,400
the order this is true for New South

1029
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:43,530
Wales but not every state in Australia

1030
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:45,300
has such a code for alternative health

1031
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:48,330
practitioners for example in South

1032
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:51,090
Australia no such code exists but a

1033
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:52,950
parliamentary inquiry is currently

1034
00:41:58,580 --> 00:41:56,450
underway and it plans to change this

1035
00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:58,590
spearheaded by the state head of the

1036
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:00,840
Australian Medical Association dr. Peter

1037
00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:04,170
Ford the proposed model in SA is modeled

1038
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:06,750
on the New South Wales code and the

1039
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:08,520
impetus for the introduction of such a

1040
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:10,530
code came from dr. Ford as a mechanism

1041
00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:14,430
for regulating quacks dr. Peter Ford

1042
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:16,550
told the inquiry that unregulated

1043
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:20,130
practitioners are quote a relative risk

1044
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:21,960
to patient health and have enjoyed

1045
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:24,300
immunity and lack of scrutiny from the

1046
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,570
legal and regulatory authorities which

1047
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:30,480
apply to the medical profession in his

1048
00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:32,850
submission about bogus doctors he

1049
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:34,350
highlights several alternative

1050
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,230
modalities including colonic irrigation

1051
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:40,560
thermography subluxation and cancer

1052
00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:42,360
cures as some of the more dangerous

1053
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,540
alternative medicine treatments as

1054
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,040
previously mentioned on dr. Richie

1055
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:49,980
reports colonic irrigation can result in

1056
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:52,710
tearing of the colon and or depletion of

1057
00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:56,220
electrolytes thermography is a tool

1058
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:57,990
promoted as a way to detect breast

1059
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:01,260
cancer but the AMA says it is unreliable

1060
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:04,680
it misses knowin cancers and diagnoses

1061
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:07,470
non-existent cancers as well as it being

1062
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:11,970
very expensive and subluxation or spinal

1063
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,130
problems are what chiropractors claim

1064
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:17,160
can lead to other health complaints the

1065
00:43:21,350 --> 00:43:19,290
Australian Medical Association in South

1066
00:43:24,110 --> 00:43:21,360
Australia is concerned about children

1067
00:43:26,420 --> 00:43:24,120
being subjected to unnecessary x-rays

1068
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:26,430
for what is a controversial diagnosis

1069
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,240
and treatment many regular listeners

1070
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:31,920
would also know that chiropractic

1071
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:34,770
manipulation has led to death by stroke

1072
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:37,110
as a result of tearing of arteries of

1073
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:40,320
the neck dr. Ford particularly

1074
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:42,570
highlights fanciful claims of cancer

1075
00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:47,790
as is evidenced by some of the

1076
00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:49,960
complaints currently being heard as part

1077
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:51,820
of the inquiry it seems this is an

1078
00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:55,210
urgent matter recently an article

1079
00:44:00,060 --> 00:43:57,730
appeared in local Adelaide press about a

1080
00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:00,070
health practitioner treating a leukemia

1081
00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:03,100
sufferer with massage homemade remedies

1082
00:44:10,070 --> 00:44:07,060
and Kentucky Fried Chicken yes listeners

1083
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:10,080
that's KFC for Kentucky Fried Chicken

1084
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:13,480
the favero clinic in Adelaide is run by

1085
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:17,290
miracle worker Elvira brunt and she uses

1086
00:44:22,890 --> 00:44:19,750
a type of massage to change the way

1087
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:22,900
blood flows through the body and this is

1088
00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:25,530
supposed to cure terminal illnesses

1089
00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:28,360
whilst her supporters call her a gifted

1090
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:30,760
healer who can cure cancer her

1091
00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:32,050
detractors have told a parliamentary

1092
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:34,420
committee that she takes money from

1093
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:36,850
vulnerable people charging hundreds of

1094
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:40,540
dollars for a few precious minutes the

1095
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:42,520
Australian Medical Association claims

1096
00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:44,290
that she tried to convince the parents

1097
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:47,140
of a young leukemia victim to delay

1098
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:50,140
giving her treatment the girls general

1099
00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:51,910
practitioner eventually told the

1100
00:44:57,150 --> 00:44:53,740
committee that these delays had a

1101
00:44:59,340 --> 00:44:57,160
devastating effect quote the

1102
00:45:01,800 --> 00:44:59,350
interventions by the bogus practitioner

1103
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:01,810
served only to reduce the opportunity of

1104
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:03,730
the girl to get the best chance of a

1105
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:06,850
cure and when the cure could not be

1106
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:09,250
achieved she was deprived of optimal

1107
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:13,390
palliative care even more bizarre brunt

1108
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:15,250
apparently advised the girl's father to

1109
00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:18,130
give her the said KFC to get her kidneys

1110
00:45:23,850 --> 00:45:21,460
functioning again tragically samantha

1111
00:45:26,970 --> 00:45:23,860
has subsequently died but her general

1112
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:26,980
practitioner said quote people battling

1113
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:29,290
serious or terminal illnesses can be

1114
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:31,390
desperate and will sometimes hand over

1115
00:45:36,270 --> 00:45:33,580
large amounts of money for quite useless

1116
00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:36,280
treatments we would like to think that

1117
00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:38,140
the public is protected from such

1118
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:41,860
charlatans also reported to the

1119
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:43,990
government inquiry is a man known as

1120
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:46,960
luvo batelco who is alleged to have

1121
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:49,810
promised a woman a 50-percent cure from

1122
00:45:55,710 --> 00:45:52,090
cancer through a technique he called

1123
00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:55,720
vaginal blowing this involved the woman

1124
00:46:00,210 --> 00:45:57,580
having to move up and down on the bed

1125
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:00,220
whilst repeating the phrase oh

1126
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:04,210
boy in New South Wales making claims of

1127
00:46:08,339 --> 00:46:05,980
curing cancer or other terminal

1128
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,349
illnesses was outlawed in August with

1129
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:11,040
the introduction of the code of conduct

1130
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:13,570
according to section 5 part 1 of the

1131
00:46:18,359 --> 00:46:16,270
code quote a health practitioner must

1132
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:18,369
not hold himself or herself out as

1133
00:46:26,010 --> 00:46:21,070
qualified able or willing to cure cancer

1134
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:26,020
and other terminal illnesses and also

1135
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,540
interestingly according to section 17 of

1136
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:31,119
the code health practitioners must

1137
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:33,880
display the code and information about

1138
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:35,980
the way in which clients can make a

1139
00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:38,530
complaint to the healthcare Complaints

1140
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:41,140
Commission if necessary and these

1141
00:46:44,849 --> 00:46:42,910
documents are available as easily

1142
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:44,859
downloadable PDF files from the

1143
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:47,650
Department of Health I am currently

1144
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:49,690
making inquiries as to whether it is an

1145
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:51,730
offence if the codes are not displayed

1146
00:46:56,099 --> 00:46:54,790
if this is the case it should make for

1147
00:46:58,050 --> 00:46:56,109
an interesting visit to the

1148
00:46:59,970 --> 00:46:58,060
mind-body-spirit festival at the end of

1149
00:47:03,270 --> 00:46:59,980
this month we're all manner of

1150
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:03,280
fantastical Wu is on display with only

1151
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:05,140
the TGA and the New South Wales

1152
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:07,330
Department of Health conspicuous by

1153
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:10,960
their absence I am personally very

1154
00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:13,030
pleased to see the code introduced and

1155
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:15,070
hope that South Australia can expect

1156
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:18,550
something similar one expects dr. Peter

1157
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,430
Ford is not going to let these

1158
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:22,960
wide-ranging ratbags as he refers to

1159
00:47:28,349 --> 00:47:26,710
them get off the hook that easily he is

1160
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:28,359
a very active campaigner for

1161
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:30,280
science-based medicine and features

1162
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:32,950
regularly on local ABC radio in South

1163
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:36,250
Australia here he is talking to a caller

1164
00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:39,070
whom you might recognize now just

1165
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:40,750
quickly Rachel from other Stewart has a

1166
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:42,550
question for dr. Peter ford president of

1167
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:45,310
the AMA hello Rachel hello hi Peter how

1168
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:47,710
are you young woman I'm so glad to hear

1169
00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:49,510
you talking about alternative medicine

1170
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:50,980
and quackery and warning people about

1171
00:47:55,170 --> 00:47:53,650
this stuff I'm representing the

1172
00:47:56,849 --> 00:47:55,180
Australian skeptics and we do a lot of

1173
00:47:59,579 --> 00:47:56,859
work trying to educate people about

1174
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:59,589
these things and the dangers of them but

1175
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:01,560
one thing i came across recently was um

1176
00:48:06,030 --> 00:48:03,490
homeopathic vaccinations for

1177
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,040
meningococcal disease now i'm wondering

1178
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:07,839
if you know anything about that and I

1179
00:48:11,549 --> 00:48:09,849
guess you understand that homeopathy is

1180
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:11,559
really placebo and there's nothing

1181
00:48:17,069 --> 00:48:14,890
at all I do understand that yes oh we're

1182
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:17,079
going to get some calls well I think

1183
00:48:21,689 --> 00:48:19,630
I'll slip knot in Rachel Rachel you know

1184
00:48:24,059 --> 00:48:21,699
I think it's it's a great thing that

1185
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:24,069
there are vigilant people around and you

1186
00:48:30,059 --> 00:48:25,630
know that is the potentially a very

1187
00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:30,069
dangerous process that that is being

1188
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:31,660
offered because easy to use so that

1189
00:48:37,229 --> 00:48:34,660
we've got to take all the calls however

1190
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:37,239
you're saying you would be aware of a

1191
00:48:45,209 --> 00:48:40,689
homeopathic vaccination or noble couple

1192
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:45,219
it's a contradiction of terms it's not

1193
00:48:52,049 --> 00:48:48,569
possible can't do it that's an oxymoron

1194
00:48:53,939 --> 00:48:52,059
what a homeopathic vaccination yes or in

1195
00:48:56,099 --> 00:48:53,949
any case what interests me most about

1196
00:49:00,359 --> 00:48:56,109
this code is how we can implement these

1197
00:49:02,459 --> 00:49:00,369
new laws for example can I da bin and

1198
00:49:05,219 --> 00:49:02,469
have removed a website claiming to treat

1199
00:49:08,849 --> 00:49:05,229
cancer with oxygen water sunlight and

1200
00:49:11,069 --> 00:49:08,859
sleep in accordance with section 5

1201
00:49:13,319 --> 00:49:11,079
health practitioners are not to make

1202
00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:13,329
claims to cure serious illnesses

1203
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:16,420
including cancer but do they have to

1204
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:18,729
state the word cure in their promotional

1205
00:49:23,459 --> 00:49:21,160
material and what if they are not based

1206
00:49:26,009 --> 00:49:23,469
in New South Wales but the website is

1207
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:26,019
accessible all over the country how does

1208
00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:29,410
the legislation work then I was also

1209
00:49:34,499 --> 00:49:32,109
particularly interested in section 12

1210
00:49:36,539 --> 00:49:34,509
part 2 which states that a health

1211
00:49:38,779 --> 00:49:36,549
practitioner must provide truthful

1212
00:49:41,969 --> 00:49:38,789
information as to his or her

1213
00:49:45,779 --> 00:49:41,979
qualifications training or professional

1214
00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:45,789
affiliations if asked so does this mean

1215
00:49:54,479 --> 00:49:51,999
the end for online PhDs if only section

1216
00:49:56,429 --> 00:49:54,489
3 is also intriguing a health

1217
00:49:59,130 --> 00:49:56,439
practitioner must not make claims about

1218
00:50:02,779 --> 00:49:59,140
the efficacy of treatment or services if

1219
00:50:05,849 --> 00:50:02,789
these claims cannot be substantiated

1220
00:50:09,959 --> 00:50:05,859
sounds like it's curtains for KFC and

1221
00:50:11,699 --> 00:50:09,969
water can cure incurable diseases I look

1222
00:50:15,209 --> 00:50:11,709
forward to seeing the outcomes of the

1223
00:50:17,219 --> 00:50:15,219
new code of conduct and if you'd like to

1224
00:50:19,769 --> 00:50:17,229
read my accompanying blog for this

1225
00:50:21,959 --> 00:50:19,779
episode of dr. Richie reports and find

1226
00:50:24,620 --> 00:50:21,969
all the relevant links please head to

1227
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:24,630
skeptics own TV

1228
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:26,970
and until next time this has been dr.

1229
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:41,430
Wei Qi reports hi everyone this is andy

1230
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,430
Kaiser Richard Saunders was nice enough

1231
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:46,800
to let me interrupt the skeptic zone to

1232
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:49,410
tell you about another gust of wind in

1233
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:51,690
the maelstrom of worldwide critical

1234
00:50:57,380 --> 00:50:54,630
thought digital bits skeptic is a

1235
00:51:00,020 --> 00:50:57,390
podcast dedicated to skepticism and

1236
00:51:03,110 --> 00:51:00,030
critical thinking in our world of New

1237
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:03,120
Age religion and credulous pop culture I

1238
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:06,450
myself write a few articles but most are

1239
00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:08,910
written by everyone else and they're

1240
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:11,790
paid for that effort if you're an expert

1241
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:14,490
in your field if you need a forum or if

1242
00:51:18,860 --> 00:51:16,260
you want to make an impact on not just

1243
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:18,870
the skeptical community but the world at

1244
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:22,590
large I'd like to talk to you or if you

1245
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:24,390
just like to listen to a quality

1246
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:27,410
skeptical minded podcast that's great to

1247
00:51:41,810 --> 00:51:32,460
find the digital bit skeptic at wwd be

1248
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:45,210
join us now for drinking skeptically in

1249
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:54,250
the think tank welcome to the wubb

1250
00:52:01,860 --> 00:51:58,210
attrition so welcome to them I'll keep

1251
00:52:03,570 --> 00:52:01,870
that Indian other welcome to the whoopee

1252
00:52:06,570 --> 00:52:03,580
cushion show otherwise known as a think

1253
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:06,580
tank hello Rachel Dave the happy singer

1254
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:10,690
hello Richie is tears it's not really

1255
00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:14,050
the whoopee cushion shows at Rachel no

1256
00:52:18,780 --> 00:52:16,390
but we're just extolling the joys of the

1257
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:18,790
whoopee cushion widget on the mac no

1258
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,610
after you she's out there yeah they were

1259
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:23,440
great to see you again yes it's great to

1260
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,590
be here thanks for coming along move

1261
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:28,240
closer to the old microphone over your

1262
00:52:33,870 --> 00:52:31,390
plate of delicious wedges there now Dave

1263
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:33,880
I downloaded the podcast you're involved

1264
00:52:36,990 --> 00:52:35,770
with of course it's critical mass yeah

1265
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:37,000
that's right it's the podcast of a

1266
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,150
Sydney atheist how can people tune in

1267
00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:42,160
where can they go it's Sydney atheist

1268
00:52:48,540 --> 00:52:46,390
org slash podcast don't easy I love the

1269
00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:48,550
last episode because you went into one

1270
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:51,070
of the big mega churches here in Sydney

1271
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:54,250
and you noted down what the the peaches

1272
00:53:01,080 --> 00:52:56,770
were saying you've reproduced it for the

1273
00:53:03,450 --> 00:53:01,090
podcast yes hilarious yeah we we went to

1274
00:53:05,790 --> 00:53:03,460
visit Hillsong Church which is a big

1275
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:05,800
Pentecostal church and it was about a

1276
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:07,810
seven or eight of us from the Sydney

1277
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:10,030
atheists all good skeptics and

1278
00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:11,770
uh we popped in just to see what it's

1279
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:13,390
really like because there's a lot of a

1280
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:17,350
lot of rumors about hillsong and we

1281
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:19,500
wanted to see what it's really like and

1282
00:53:23,370 --> 00:53:21,490
when we talked about this this is on

1283
00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:23,380
episode 5 of critical mass you can get

1284
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:26,590
that ass in EA vs dog / podcast um and

1285
00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:29,110
it was it was bizarre straightaway after

1286
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:31,870
the music ended a big fat preacher man

1287
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:34,830
comes out and spends a good 10 minutes

1288
00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:36,910
telling us about our tithes and

1289
00:53:40,590 --> 00:53:38,260
offerings and how important it is to

1290
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:40,600
give money tails on church credit card G

1291
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:42,730
oh gosh a credit card check you can put

1292
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:44,470
your money than container you can give

1293
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:45,850
online through the week if you want to

1294
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:48,040
do that you know if it was incredible

1295
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:50,110
words he used a fascinating now if

1296
00:53:54,830 --> 00:53:51,910
people go to your podcast the critical

1297
00:53:57,810 --> 00:53:54,840
mass they can hear the words he used as

1298
00:54:00,450 --> 00:53:57,820
reproduced by you and in your wonderful

1299
00:54:03,330 --> 00:54:00,460
Australian accent worth for Santa folks

1300
00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:03,340
critical mass great podcast and this hip

1301
00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:05,550
episode particular is quite fascinating

1302
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:08,260
now we've been having a lot of feedback

1303
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:10,450
from now last episode here on the

1304
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:12,490
skeptic zone we have Richard yeah I a

1305
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:14,530
lot actually quite a fact the most

1306
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:16,330
feedback was ever had I think now this

1307
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,930
was simply a debate held up in the blue

1308
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:21,280
mountains here western sydney between

1309
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:23,290
one of the skeptics in New South Wales

1310
00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:26,530
and a minister I never day in power

1311
00:54:31,410 --> 00:54:28,870
revenue in Palin river and Reverend Ian

1312
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:31,420
price and he not revered not Reverend

1313
00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:32,710
well you might be irreverent you know I

1314
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:35,350
went on Hamilton give me to Asia

1315
00:54:39,570 --> 00:54:37,870
universal Universal Life Church I think

1316
00:54:42,350 --> 00:54:39,580
Ian's got one is Ian Bryce from the

1317
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:42,360
skeptics was debating Reverend Ian power

1318
00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:47,230
on the topic we can be good without god

1319
00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:50,320
a lot of people have chipped in

1320
00:54:55,260 --> 00:54:52,660
including Reverend Ian power yeah right

1321
00:54:59,070 --> 00:54:55,270
to defend himself so on him so listeners

1322
00:55:00,900 --> 00:54:59,080
have heard the the debate and I put it

1323
00:55:02,070 --> 00:55:00,910
online because the two reasons 1i

1324
00:55:03,630 --> 00:55:02,080
thought it would be interesting for

1325
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:03,640
listeners to hear a debate here in

1326
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:05,710
Australia about the sort of this topic

1327
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:08,170
and 2 i'd rather actually ran out of

1328
00:55:12,130 --> 00:55:09,700
content for that week's show who's

1329
00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:12,140
desperate now don't tell people that

1330
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:14,420
I was it says we were on holiday we were

1331
00:55:19,330 --> 00:55:16,610
on Holly went to a delay review where we

1332
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:19,340
collected some very exciting stuff yeah

1333
00:55:25,420 --> 00:55:21,530
upcoming and I think I'm the episodes

1334
00:55:26,830 --> 00:55:25,430
the interview go Stu operator and go on

1335
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:26,840
a ghost yeah that's quite really

1336
00:55:30,370 --> 00:55:28,730
interesting however that yes um so if

1337
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:30,380
listeners have heard the last episode of

1338
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:32,690
the zone would be debate go to our

1339
00:55:40,510 --> 00:55:38,090
website www scripting zone TV click on

1340
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:40,520
the comments and have a go everyone's

1341
00:55:44,650 --> 00:55:42,170
chipping in everyone's starting to talk

1342
00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:44,660
about logical fallacies in fact I read

1343
00:55:48,250 --> 00:55:45,980
some of the comments today and some

1344
00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:48,260
people were saying that Reverend Ian

1345
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:50,390
power made lots of logical fallacies

1346
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:52,730
throughout his discussion and he

1347
00:55:57,130 --> 00:55:54,770
responded by saying actually I'm not

1348
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:57,140
that familiar with logical fallacies I'm

1349
00:56:02,800 --> 00:55:58,370
going to have to go back and listen and

1350
00:56:05,170 --> 00:56:02,810
learn from the debate good stuff yeah

1351
00:56:06,580 --> 00:56:05,180
now that was a mosca we all have a go I

1352
00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:06,590
mean I'm just thinking can we maybe set

1353
00:56:09,940 --> 00:56:08,270
up an exchange program with the anglican

1354
00:56:11,710 --> 00:56:09,950
that's like if we want to have a go

1355
00:56:13,570 --> 00:56:11,720
they're debating a preacher they can

1356
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,580
send one over it's interesting as within

1357
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,960
the in the middle of their church

1358
00:56:17,710 --> 00:56:16,400
service will stand up and say hang on a

1359
00:56:21,490 --> 00:56:17,720
second well I've always thought the

1360
00:56:22,540 --> 00:56:21,500
pulpits a very one-way medium it's one

1361
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:22,550
of the limitations in the whole

1362
00:56:26,980 --> 00:56:24,170
enterprise for me I want to put my hand

1363
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:26,990
once I know there's a great line in it's

1364
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:29,450
probably in Pygmalion that's definitely

1365
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:32,150
in my fair lady where Professor Henry

1366
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:34,370
Higgins mother chastises him because he

1367
00:56:38,830 --> 00:56:36,110
used to stand up in church to correct

1368
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:38,840
the minister and love that earlier but

1369
00:56:44,830 --> 00:56:42,050
that was the eastern debate now one of

1370
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:44,840
our listeners Trevor rhodium and said

1371
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,170
asking our advices and what do I do when

1372
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:51,540
people say to me Happy Easter

1373
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:53,310
you know happy christmas or Merry

1374
00:56:58,100 --> 00:56:56,280
Christmas I wrote back saying will I say

1375
00:57:00,920 --> 00:56:58,110
happy easter and happy merry christmas

1376
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:00,930
back because I like Richard Dawkins I

1377
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:03,180
consider myself to be a cultural

1378
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:06,210
Christian see what I mean that means the

1379
00:57:11,410 --> 00:57:08,850
culture we live in is largely influenced

1380
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:11,420
by the Christian religion where we have

1381
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:14,130
Easter and chop whatever that means

1382
00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:16,140
bunnies I don't think those chocolate in

1383
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:18,900
the Bible all right I like Jack but

1384
00:57:22,610 --> 00:57:20,850
Christmas time we say happy Christmas we

1385
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:22,620
sing the carols and a lot of those

1386
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:24,650
carols are religious but that's it

1387
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:27,540
that's best tradition but Dave doesn't

1388
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:31,520
dave says happy Christ to miss ya if I

1389
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:35,520
Samara yeah it depends on who's talking

1390
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:37,140
to me I mean I I don't celebrate

1391
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:39,150
Christian a Christian I don't celebrate

1392
00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:41,160
Christian though he say happy original

1393
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:44,100
yeah or somebody Cecilia you know I'll

1394
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:46,410
say thank you you too yeah it'sit's you

1395
00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:49,500
don't make a big millstone I don't think

1396
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:51,630
of anything or are see them say oh I'm

1397
00:57:55,070 --> 00:57:53,250
sorry but I'm an AP yeah yeah when

1398
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:55,080
somebody says comes to you because the

1399
00:57:57,590 --> 00:57:56,520
sentiment behind the greeting it's time

1400
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,600
when somebody says bless you when you

1401
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:00,720
see exactly how exactly um actually it's

1402
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:03,480
a kindness I sneeze a lot it is is a

1403
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,010
kindness rather than a religious message

1404
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:07,140
you should hear a sneezing my car

1405
00:58:10,550 --> 00:58:08,850
everything you've asked me my skype Oh

1406
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:10,560
sometimes wish you sneezes I don't have

1407
00:58:16,220 --> 00:58:14,190
to I can hear can I just add one more

1408
00:58:20,570 --> 00:58:16,230
thing about the comment section of the

1409
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:20,580
zone website a couple of people on that

1410
00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:22,680
particular episode commented that they

1411
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:26,790
quite like commenting on on our own page

1412
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:29,370
oh yes they can be very appropriate

1413
00:58:35,330 --> 00:58:31,830
episode and comment straight away we

1414
00:58:37,490 --> 00:58:35,340
also have a feedback or a forum page on

1415
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:37,500
the jf side that some people find that

1416
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:40,440
bit difficult to navigate so if you do

1417
00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:42,780
have some opinions about how you like to

1418
00:58:49,460 --> 00:58:45,480
comment on the show jump on the episode

1419
00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:49,470
recent one whatever we're up to 18 18 is

1420
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,420
the Ben Goldacre I'm sorry well whatever

1421
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,180
the recent episode is jump 2525 this'll

1422
00:58:58,019 --> 00:58:56,079
be 26 and let us know

1423
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:58,029
what you guys would prefer I mean we

1424
00:59:00,930 --> 00:58:59,440
have considered setting up a forum

1425
00:59:04,049 --> 00:59:00,940
haven't we built we don't really have

1426
00:59:05,849 --> 00:59:04,059
the time to maintain that and to you

1427
00:59:06,959 --> 00:59:05,859
know prove comments and kick off people

1428
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,969
being rude and things like that so

1429
00:59:10,769 --> 00:59:08,559
that's probably not an option unless

1430
00:59:13,170 --> 00:59:10,779
someone wants to volunteer no I'll get a

1431
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,180
lot of aunties but no the point is we do

1432
00:59:16,769 --> 00:59:14,799
have somewhere where you can comment and

1433
00:59:18,479 --> 00:59:16,779
people have been doing it we work very

1434
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:18,489
hard on the show a little but other

1435
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,089
things to do so to make to set up and

1436
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:24,160
maintain a warm it's too much it might

1437
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:25,890
be a bit too much for us at the moment

1438
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,209
we'll see how the show goes and it's got

1439
00:59:33,089 --> 00:59:30,160
and we've got some guests coming up I

1440
00:59:35,099 --> 00:59:33,099
tell you we have we have we can't tell

1441
00:59:37,410 --> 00:59:35,109
and we can't reveal a little today can

1442
00:59:40,170 --> 00:59:37,420
we course we bloody can't oh we can no

1443
00:59:43,049 --> 00:59:40,180
sure it was secret no oh not anymore

1444
00:59:45,029 --> 00:59:43,059
okay all right I like having secrets or

1445
00:59:47,729 --> 00:59:45,039
up till the next week expect this okay

1446
00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:47,739
people excited to see days well I have

1447
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:51,430
to say him but next next week's guest is

1448
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:53,440
rob morrison from the Curiosity Shop

1449
00:59:57,509 --> 00:59:55,450
yeah and you and I went to Adelaide to

1450
00:59:59,789 --> 00:59:57,519
interviewing wasn't he k was brilliant

1451
01:00:02,039 --> 00:59:59,799
now our Australian listeners will well

1452
01:00:04,890 --> 01:00:02,049
remember the key Australian listeners in

1453
01:00:07,019 --> 01:00:04,900
the X Generation well and probably the

1454
01:00:09,209 --> 01:00:07,029
baby boomers were as well remember the

1455
01:00:11,609 --> 01:00:09,219
curiosity show but I remember it because

1456
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:11,619
it was around when I used to come home

1457
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:13,690
from school every day and done and watch

1458
01:00:18,029 --> 01:00:15,369
it in the afternoon learned so much from

1459
01:00:21,299 --> 01:00:18,039
ya and Roberts wonderful isn't he lovely

1460
01:00:23,789 --> 01:00:21,309
man hehe just to remind our listeners in

1461
01:00:25,949 --> 01:00:23,799
Australia it was Rob Morrison and Dean

1462
01:00:28,469 --> 01:00:25,959
huntin rob was the taller men with a

1463
01:00:30,809 --> 01:00:28,479
little goatee and Dean was the the dark

1464
01:00:34,229 --> 01:00:30,819
had merited a mustache yeah yeah yeah

1465
01:00:35,849 --> 01:00:34,239
and Rob went he went to his house we sat

1466
01:00:37,469 --> 01:00:35,859
down and we chatted for almost an hour

1467
01:00:39,059 --> 01:00:37,479
it was great and he lives just down the

1468
01:00:40,529 --> 01:00:39,069
road from my parent you do and he came

1469
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,539
on the ghost tour with us he did that

1470
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:42,880
night as well yeah so that's something

1471
01:00:50,410 --> 01:00:45,230
look forward to and the week after that

1472
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:50,420
we have a major have a mage again we can

1473
01:00:57,250 --> 01:00:55,760
tell you about next week oh oh you're

1474
01:00:59,740 --> 01:00:57,260
gonna be excited guys let's see oh

1475
01:01:01,540 --> 01:00:59,750
really probably I mean I love all the

1476
01:01:04,690 --> 01:01:01,550
gifts we've had they're all major people

1477
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:04,700
in their own right but this man in two

1478
01:01:09,730 --> 01:01:06,770
weeks time it's worth waiting for folks

1479
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:09,740
it is chilly nobody that I've met oh

1480
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:14,090
yeah you had contact with this present

1481
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:15,710
in you yes followers of my twitter

1482
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:17,720
stream at twitter.com / happy singer

1483
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:19,369
they might be able to myself yeah we'll

1484
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:23,210
figure it out so but we'll leave out

1485
01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:26,770
some of our audience in suspense Rachel

1486
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,180
where you have under your champagne

1487
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:31,760
glasses notes my glass is empty now have

1488
01:01:37,450 --> 01:01:34,609
a little bit rule yes I have some news

1489
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:37,460
um oh well we know from throwing things

1490
01:01:44,859 --> 01:01:41,510
everywhere now then go make up the mail

1491
01:01:48,130 --> 01:01:44,869
ice talk for a living he has happened hi

1492
01:01:49,810 --> 01:01:48,140
Ben hi burn I've been he's just released

1493
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:49,820
the missing chapter from his book bad

1494
01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:52,250
science and some of our listeners may

1495
01:01:57,970 --> 01:01:55,460
remember last year he went through a

1496
01:02:00,340 --> 01:01:57,980
libel case in the UK because he was sued

1497
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:00,350
by a gentleman by the name actually I'm

1498
01:02:04,990 --> 01:02:02,810
not going to say gentlemen it was sued

1499
01:02:08,109 --> 01:02:05,000
by a scumbag by the name of Matthias

1500
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:08,119
wrath yeah we'll get sued well that's

1501
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:10,130
fine alright I'd have any pocket you

1502
01:02:15,099 --> 01:02:11,510
don't have any money or yeah he's always

1503
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:15,109
got pretty good at SU EP no he he is he

1504
01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:17,510
student medicine so frontiere if you if

1505
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:19,400
listeners recall i interviewed been

1506
01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:21,410
about this and episode 18 right so

1507
01:02:26,620 --> 01:02:24,740
anyway he had to leave that chapter out

1508
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:26,630
of his book bad science because of the

1509
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:28,400
court case will the court case is

1510
01:02:34,810 --> 01:02:31,570
finished ref pulled out so essentially

1511
01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:34,820
Goldacre and the guardian newspaper one

1512
01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:37,430
so he has now released that missing

1513
01:02:43,090 --> 01:02:39,230
chapter called the doctor will see you

1514
01:02:44,570 --> 01:02:43,100
now you can find it online for free yes

1515
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:44,580
isn't it

1516
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:48,510
at bad science net you can it'll be

1517
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:50,370
released in the paperback version of bad

1518
01:02:53,810 --> 01:02:52,020
science which is about to be released in

1519
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:53,820
the UK but if you already have bought

1520
01:02:58,310 --> 01:02:55,260
the book and you want the extra chapter

1521
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,320
go to that site stop it or go back to

1522
01:03:01,370 --> 01:03:00,240
episode 18 and listen to the interview

1523
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:01,380
I'd movement because it covers

1524
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,210
everything that's in the chapter it's a

1525
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:05,220
great interview yeah it is really really

1526
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:09,540
really interesting stuff oh now talking

1527
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:11,850
about um Ben Goldacre we're going to

1528
01:03:19,390 --> 01:03:14,610
Melbourne oh yes well we're all going to

1529
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:19,400
miss nothing three with a golden folks

1530
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:22,410
Rachel and I and Dave the happy singer

1531
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:25,890
and our reporter Carly Sturgis woman are

1532
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:27,510
all heading for Melbourne we're going to

1533
01:03:34,310 --> 01:03:30,420
be giving some talks on the thirtieth of

1534
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:34,320
May 30 have money and if you want to

1535
01:03:37,790 --> 01:03:35,700
find out more information about this

1536
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:37,800
please go to the website of our dear

1537
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:39,240
friends and colleagues the young

1538
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:41,700
Australian skeptics which is young of

1539
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:45,720
skeptics a us skeptics com they have a

1540
01:03:48,860 --> 01:03:47,370
fantastic podcast which we love to

1541
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:48,870
promote called the pseudo-scientists

1542
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:51,000
they're all our dear friends although we

1543
01:03:54,980 --> 01:03:52,770
haven't met them we haven't met that guy

1544
01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:54,990
i met Darlie breeders but you don't

1545
01:03:58,550 --> 01:03:56,940
remember I don't remember because use in

1546
01:04:01,550 --> 01:03:58,560
an audience where I gave us a talk much

1547
01:04:03,050 --> 01:04:01,560
but also it's also on my blog the

1548
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:03,060
skeptics public pooping so great a

1549
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:05,010
skeptics book com yeah I've got details

1550
01:04:10,340 --> 01:04:06,930
about it will also be details a day of

1551
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:10,350
the happy sing at all that's number one

1552
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:13,410
mention yeah yeah so it's going to be a

1553
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:15,960
double header yeah I will do a talk

1554
01:04:22,070 --> 01:04:19,380
about an alternative medicine and my

1555
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,080
experiences as a podcaster and blogger

1556
01:04:25,790 --> 01:04:24,480
and a scientist dealing with alternative

1557
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:25,800
medicine and all the sort of way that

1558
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:28,200
you hear in dr. HC every fortnight no

1559
01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:30,110
mune well i'm going to be talking about

1560
01:04:36,380 --> 01:04:33,390
skepticism 101 which is the similar talk

1561
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:36,390
to the one I gave in atlanta georgia for

1562
01:04:41,470 --> 01:04:38,690
dragoncon which went on very well and

1563
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:41,480
when you talk in james Randy's in the

1564
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:43,250
Israeli thing huh it's quite an

1565
01:04:46,810 --> 01:04:45,290
experience huh but Richard Richard

1566
01:04:49,810 --> 01:04:46,820
Richard can I sing a song that please

1567
01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:49,820
yes you can sing a song yes you're not

1568
01:04:53,530 --> 01:04:51,830
so yeah Dave wants to sing a song maybe

1569
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:53,540
an intermission or something now despite

1570
01:04:59,650 --> 01:04:57,200
dave singing please come along now we

1571
01:05:01,960 --> 01:04:59,660
love these vanilla the cable is all ours

1572
01:05:03,970 --> 01:05:01,970
yeah so they'll be Dave singing you and

1573
01:05:06,010 --> 01:05:03,980
I talking they'll be members of I'm

1574
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:06,020
Kylie a reporter from the skeptic zone

1575
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:09,050
and probably all the young are skeptics

1576
01:05:12,460 --> 01:05:10,430
the pseudo-scientists will be there a

1577
01:05:14,170 --> 01:05:12,470
big nine yeah a big night so those

1578
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:14,180
people in Melbourne or if you're

1579
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:16,010
listening to us in additive a bar please

1580
01:05:21,609 --> 01:05:19,250
fly over anywhere sure Todd Brisbane

1581
01:05:24,099 --> 01:05:21,619
Brisbane or any other city or any other

1582
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:24,109
city so it's the 30th of made I think

1583
01:05:28,210 --> 01:05:26,810
the talk gonna be the well we think it's

1584
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:28,220
gonna be Melbourne University but that's

1585
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:29,990
not confirmed yet not quite confirmed

1586
01:05:36,130 --> 01:05:33,710
yet you can meet most or a good chunk of

1587
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:36,140
the skeptic zone probably all the pseudo

1588
01:05:41,650 --> 01:05:38,330
scientists from the youngest rain

1589
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:41,660
skeptics and the famous Jack scale here

1590
01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:44,240
we think is probably the most awesome

1591
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:46,869
person in the world but he's also

1592
01:05:51,580 --> 01:05:49,010
moonlighting as a 17 year old in

1593
01:05:53,859 --> 01:05:51,590
attacked Alec moody when really he's a

1594
01:05:56,260 --> 01:05:53,869
retired archaeology professor that was

1595
01:05:58,450 --> 01:05:56,270
that was my idea that hoodie was my idea

1596
01:06:00,700 --> 01:05:58,460
I know I know it was your like to take

1597
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:00,710
good as some of his genius yes no I'm

1598
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:03,440
his toadies is good now if you think you

1599
01:06:09,609 --> 01:06:07,250
can help us I get to Melbourne I contact

1600
01:06:11,710 --> 01:06:09,619
the young Australian skeptics yeah

1601
01:06:13,390 --> 01:06:11,720
absolutely where any contributions will

1602
01:06:15,130 --> 01:06:13,400
be gratefully accepted because you know

1603
01:06:16,180 --> 01:06:15,140
we're all flying down there and we're

1604
01:06:17,890 --> 01:06:16,190
gonna hide the room and all the

1605
01:06:19,570 --> 01:06:17,900
restaurant but we're hoping for like two

1606
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:19,580
or three hundred people yeah yeah well I

1607
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:21,170
feel we're also having to get some press

1608
01:06:24,849 --> 01:06:22,609
coverage and yeah

1609
01:06:27,460 --> 01:06:24,859
yeah so it's gonna be huge what things

1610
01:06:29,650 --> 01:06:27,470
will you be talking about dr. a.g.o what

1611
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:29,660
will I be talking about what some of

1612
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:31,039
their to segue so you can talk about

1613
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:35,089
other things okay yes a quasar so good I

1614
01:06:44,589 --> 01:06:41,170
will be talking about things such as

1615
01:06:46,539 --> 01:06:44,599
hiv/aids and the Pope now look everyone

1616
01:06:48,999 --> 01:06:46,549
knows the statements he made recently

1617
01:06:51,460 --> 01:06:49,009
about condoms actually making the

1618
01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:51,470
epidemic worse now in Australia we have

1619
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:54,920
a cardinal his name is George Pell he's

1620
01:06:59,769 --> 01:06:56,630
very well known in Australia saying lots

1621
01:07:03,670 --> 01:06:59,779
of controversial and often incorrect

1622
01:07:06,539 --> 01:07:03,680
things he's well known for saying that

1623
01:07:09,220 --> 01:07:06,549
homosexuality is wrong and that you know

1624
01:07:11,019 --> 01:07:09,230
the guys should all burn in hell is sort

1625
01:07:14,259 --> 01:07:11,029
of that you know things to that extent

1626
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:14,269
so he has I'm said that the use of

1627
01:07:17,849 --> 01:07:15,529
condoms were making the AIDS epidemic

1628
01:07:21,609 --> 01:07:17,859
worse he agrees with the Pope on this

1629
01:07:23,620 --> 01:07:21,619
and he said in his article comes from

1630
01:07:25,779 --> 01:07:23,630
the Sydney Morning Herald but it's an

1631
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:25,789
associated press article so it doesn't

1632
01:07:31,310 --> 01:07:28,710
have the journalist who wrote it

1633
01:07:34,010 --> 01:07:31,320
but it says here the Cardinal Pell said

1634
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:34,020
a non-catholic health worker with whom

1635
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:35,520
he had traveled back from a trip to

1636
01:07:39,980 --> 01:07:38,040
Africa told him condoms were not an

1637
01:07:44,089 --> 01:07:39,990
effective solution to Africa's AIDS

1638
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:44,099
problems now well there you go yeah so

1639
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:45,810
one one person on a plane told him that

1640
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:48,330
so obviously you know there you go but

1641
01:07:52,310 --> 01:07:50,520
no need to consult science about this is

1642
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:52,320
the important thing for George Pell is

1643
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,410
of course the Pope said it oh yeah now

1644
01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:57,599
so you're gonna feel fatigue party

1645
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:00,780
George Pell and his brother Cardinals if

1646
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:04,050
the Pope says it goodbye goodnight

1647
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:06,180
Gracie you can't what are you going to

1648
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:07,980
come out and say well I think the boat

1649
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:09,630
was wrong no but he doesn't have to say

1650
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,970
anything either does it they're not

1651
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:13,680
compelled to say that he agrees with the

1652
01:08:19,579 --> 01:08:16,770
Pope but he's making all these logical

1653
01:08:20,959 --> 01:08:19,589
fallacies by saying that um he says if

1654
01:08:23,059 --> 01:08:20,969
you look at the Philippines you'll see

1655
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:23,069
the incidence of AIDS is much lower than

1656
01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:25,620
it is in Thailand which is awash with

1657
01:08:32,499 --> 01:08:29,819
condoms so Thailand has more condoms in

1658
01:08:35,769 --> 01:08:32,509
the Philippines therefore

1659
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:35,779
and they have less AIDS yeah so we're

1660
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:38,750
policy is this just correlation imply

1661
01:08:45,549 --> 01:08:40,730
causation yeah I don't know something

1662
01:08:46,990 --> 01:08:45,559
like that um listeners all know he says

1663
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:47,000
also that there are condoms everywhere

1664
01:08:50,769 --> 01:08:49,279
but the rate of infection is enormous of

1665
01:08:54,339 --> 01:08:50,779
course this area my nude part of the

1666
01:08:56,019 --> 01:08:54,349
story what other what other things once

1667
01:08:59,109 --> 01:08:56,029
we take into consideration when we're

1668
01:09:01,089 --> 01:08:59,119
considering that argument between the

1669
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:01,099
Philippines and Thailand well exactly I

1670
01:09:05,379 --> 01:09:03,289
mean that's just a statement that's

1671
01:09:06,849 --> 01:09:05,389
irrelevant out of context lose one whack

1672
01:09:09,599 --> 01:09:06,859
on facebook and I'm sorry I wish I could

1673
01:09:11,859 --> 01:09:09,609
remember who it was but they said oh

1674
01:09:13,779 --> 01:09:11,869
look it's raining outside let's give

1675
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:13,789
everybody umbrellas no don't do that

1676
01:09:20,829 --> 01:09:19,489
we'll just get wetter that's what it

1677
01:09:22,450 --> 01:09:20,839
comes down to something like the

1678
01:09:25,660 --> 01:09:22,460
country's and have more umbrellas people

1679
01:09:28,450 --> 01:09:25,670
tend to get wetter or something possibly

1680
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:28,460
yeah so you know I'm not surprised I

1681
01:09:32,349 --> 01:09:30,289
mean this guy often comes out with

1682
01:09:35,169 --> 01:09:32,359
ridiculous statements but there's

1683
01:09:37,029 --> 01:09:35,179
another one to add a friend Ian brycee

1684
01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:37,039
we were discussing earlier has a lot of

1685
01:09:42,099 --> 01:09:39,980
issues with George Pell Anika and the

1686
01:09:44,979 --> 01:09:42,109
Catholics in general I think

1687
01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:44,989
well I did dr. Reggie on HIV there are

1688
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:46,909
the weeks ago and I blogged about that

1689
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:49,670
and how since it was first aired by pope

1690
01:09:55,180 --> 01:09:52,310
john paul the second in 1990 the

1691
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:55,190
epidemic has exploded in africa and you

1692
01:09:57,970 --> 01:09:56,570
know there are missionaries going into

1693
01:09:59,800 --> 01:09:57,980
africa all the time trying to convert

1694
01:10:02,649 --> 01:09:59,810
people to catholicism and it's just

1695
01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:02,659
really irresponsible and dangerous yeah

1696
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:04,790
I I thought there was a discount on for

1697
01:10:09,490 --> 01:10:07,369
each unit well was it yeah I mean I

1698
01:10:12,129 --> 01:10:09,500
talked to more a lot about how I just

1699
01:10:14,620 --> 01:10:12,139
HIV was discovered as well but yeah he's

1700
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:14,630
these people I mean no wonder people are

1701
01:10:19,060 --> 01:10:16,489
leaving the church in frogs the Catholic

1702
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:19,070
Church it's ridiculous isn't it no it's

1703
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:22,010
just I want to hear more voices and the

1704
01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:24,170
the next episode of the critical masters

1705
01:10:27,550 --> 01:10:26,150
in the atheists podcast has been

1706
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:27,560
recorded but not yet released and we

1707
01:10:35,169 --> 01:10:31,280
talked about this issue and I encourage

1708
01:10:36,250 --> 01:10:35,179
you to subscribe are you a blows my mind

1709
01:10:38,890 --> 01:10:36,260
what I want to hear is where are the

1710
01:10:40,959 --> 01:10:38,900
coupling voices turning around as it's

1711
01:10:43,330 --> 01:10:40,969
being said why does it have to be me

1712
01:10:45,820 --> 01:10:43,340
this is a very hard cider because you

1713
01:10:50,169 --> 01:10:45,830
can put this point this point is also

1714
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:50,179
completely relevant and felter it matter

1715
01:10:55,689 --> 01:10:53,690
alternative medicine it's like there are

1716
01:10:59,500 --> 01:10:55,699
a lot of alternative quacks out there

1717
01:11:02,410 --> 01:10:59,510
doing completely ludicrous ridiculous

1718
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:02,420
barking mad things right endangering

1719
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:04,730
people's lives but you don't hear the

1720
01:11:09,550 --> 01:11:07,730
other alternative medicine practitioners

1721
01:11:13,450 --> 01:11:09,560
coming down hard now you don't know you

1722
01:11:16,419 --> 01:11:13,460
don't because a lot of them probably

1723
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:16,429
believe in fairies anyway and just think

1724
01:11:19,780 --> 01:11:18,170
as soon as they hear someone's

1725
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:19,790
practicing alternative medicine oh it

1726
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:21,310
must be boarded

1727
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:25,120
and work and any any abuse is directed

1728
01:11:29,310 --> 01:11:27,670
by the pharmaceutical companies which I

1729
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:29,320
mean I talked earlier in the podcast

1730
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,690
today about an alternative therapists in

1731
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,520
Adelaide who was prescribing we're not

1732
01:11:38,910 --> 01:11:34,960
prescribing cuz she's not allowed to

1733
01:11:42,090 --> 01:11:38,920
she's just a word doctor KFC for someone

1734
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:42,100
with leukemia now that is so extreme you

1735
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:43,990
would really expect somebody in their

1736
01:11:49,230 --> 01:11:46,210
community if they have any respect and

1737
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,240
faith in there you know army profession

1738
01:11:53,790 --> 01:11:51,280
to come out and say hang on hang on a

1739
01:11:55,650 --> 01:11:53,800
second don't they come KFC it's like

1740
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:55,660
your fried chicken be careful it's like

1741
01:12:02,790 --> 01:11:57,970
the the psychics and all the word people

1742
01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:02,800
I dare not criticize each other in hues

1743
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:04,720
in glass houses really counterintuitive

1744
01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:07,510
because all that does you know everyone

1745
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:09,550
all professions that we casually have

1746
01:12:16,110 --> 01:12:13,090
bad apples and so if you want to protect

1747
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:16,120
your professions reputation you would

1748
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:18,070
come out sigh hey this rogova yeah yeah

1749
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:20,770
you know selling shares under the table

1750
01:12:27,390 --> 01:12:23,170
we don't want to borrow him I see what

1751
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:27,400
you're saying but on what basis are you

1752
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:28,840
going to criticize somebody because if

1753
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:30,370
they're going to start if if a homie up

1754
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:31,330
with this is going to start criticizing

1755
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:38,110
a near conv on a rational basis they

1756
01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:40,330
exposed to them to expose themselves the

1757
01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:42,520
same k agree and clear like get your I

1758
01:12:49,260 --> 01:12:45,220
guess are no rules but this is a sort of

1759
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,930
it's a really bad generalization to make

1760
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:54,320
and I don't really mean to come across

1761
01:13:00,760 --> 01:12:56,570
like this but the real bloody barking

1762
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:00,770
man you don't mean to come across I'll

1763
01:13:04,810 --> 01:13:02,090
take that back so what you made right

1764
01:13:06,610 --> 01:13:04,820
there completely bogus and some of them

1765
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:06,620
are very shrewd businessman oh all right

1766
01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:08,270
for the ones that aren't shrewd

1767
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:10,790
businessman and knowingly conning people

1768
01:13:15,670 --> 01:13:13,520
the rest o haven't got a good group they

1769
01:13:16,990 --> 01:13:15,680
really happen I just don't understand

1770
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:17,000
how you can come to the conclusion that

1771
01:13:20,710 --> 01:13:19,010
you're getting kidney failure because of

1772
01:13:23,530 --> 01:13:20,720
leukemia have some Kentucky Fried

1773
01:13:24,940 --> 01:13:23,540
Chicken I'm sorry you might as well but

1774
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:24,950
the worst part about that and the most

1775
01:13:28,090 --> 01:13:26,150
tragic part is what I talked about

1776
01:13:30,190 --> 01:13:28,100
earlier is that you know these people

1777
01:13:32,220 --> 01:13:30,200
believed it and it is maybe they like

1778
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:32,230
kentucky fried chicken I don't think L

1779
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:34,970
wait right now I know I just to cry

1780
01:13:39,190 --> 01:13:37,610
anyway let's let's let's wrap wrap up

1781
01:13:41,770 --> 01:13:39,200
the old thing back tonight on a happy

1782
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,780
note Dave yes I can you give a big shout

1783
01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:43,520
out to that friend that you met in the

1784
01:13:49,930 --> 01:13:48,470
Kelly's oh hello George thank you for

1785
01:13:53,470 --> 01:13:49,940
listening to the show we make up a

1786
01:13:55,180 --> 01:13:53,480
larger skeptics in the pub we'd always

1787
01:13:57,460 --> 01:13:55,190
delighted to get your feedback and if

1788
01:13:58,960 --> 01:13:57,470
you can do it in a probe in person

1789
01:14:00,190 --> 01:13:58,970
that's the best way to do it if you do

1790
01:14:02,890 --> 01:14:00,200
it with a big glass of beer in your hand

1791
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:02,900
but that's even better for you or for

1792
01:14:10,410 --> 01:14:07,430
him for me either oh yeah both Jojo

1793
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:10,420
charging champagne house you beat me to

1794
01:14:18,649 --> 01:14:16,399
but when's our next meeting it some the

1795
01:14:21,169 --> 01:14:18,659
filet first thursday of Maine first I

1796
01:14:22,609 --> 01:14:21,179
met yet Sydney skeptics in the pub now

1797
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:22,619
all you've Cindy listeners would be

1798
01:14:26,509 --> 01:14:24,300
delighted to see you there of course

1799
01:14:30,859 --> 01:14:26,519
well what a fantastic think tank it's

1800
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:30,869
been a bit controversial someone back in

1801
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:33,360
bed is not my boy yes it is it's not

1802
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:35,880
it's josh protocols for oh it is georgia

1803
01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:39,650
pals aren't you so on till our next

1804
01:14:58,449 --> 01:14:43,860
thing 10 thank you for listening thank

1805
01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:01,250
yes the skeptic zone is heading for

1806
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:04,110
Melbourne dr. H E and myself Richard

1807
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:05,760
Saunders will be giving talks on the

1808
01:15:10,429 --> 01:15:08,340
thirtieth of may will be joined by Kylie

1809
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,439
Sturgis our reporter plus a special

1810
01:15:15,020 --> 01:15:12,719
guest appearance of Dave the happy

1811
01:15:16,669 --> 01:15:15,030
singer 30th of May or you people who

1812
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:16,679
live in Melbourne if you want to help

1813
01:15:24,169 --> 01:15:19,289
get us there you can make a donation by

1814
01:15:26,899 --> 01:15:24,179
visiting w WC optics on TV and using the

1815
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:26,909
paypal button any contributions would be

1816
01:15:38,089 --> 01:15:29,489
greatly appreciated see you all in

1817
01:15:41,179 --> 01:15:38,099
melbourne on the thirtieth of May hello

1818
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:41,189
everyone and welcome to my house it is

1819
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:48,090
currently 1253 on Thursday night so 053

1820
01:15:52,219 --> 01:15:50,610
friday morning i don't know if you can

1821
01:15:54,859 --> 01:15:52,229
hear that in the background but that is

1822
01:15:58,069 --> 01:15:54,869
a police helicopter hovering at the end

1823
01:15:59,989 --> 01:15:58,079
of my street it's been there for quite

1824
01:16:02,929 --> 01:15:59,999
some time now possibly six or seven

1825
01:16:05,419 --> 01:16:02,939
minutes and it has a spotlight aimed and

1826
01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:05,429
a target that it hasn't moved away from

1827
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:08,699
for that amount of time I'm just going

1828
01:16:12,890 --> 01:16:10,050
to have a poke out the windows your

1829
01:16:15,370 --> 01:16:12,900
deductible yes it seems to be focused on

1830
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:15,380
a particular target

1831
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:17,570
it's really quite loud and earlier this

1832
01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:20,690
evening it was hovering around buzzing

1833
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:23,719
around at the red fern area I'm quite

1834
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:26,210
used to that that happens most other

1835
01:16:31,870 --> 01:16:29,360
night actually and I assumed that was

1836
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:31,880
just because it was checking stuff but I

1837
01:16:36,939 --> 01:16:34,130
think in this case there's something

1838
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:36,949
going on so I'll check back with you

1839
01:16:41,620 --> 01:16:39,770
when I find out any more information I

1840
01:16:44,290 --> 01:16:41,630
want to have tweeted it so people might

1841
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:44,300
be able to tell me okay I'm just going

1842
01:16:47,860 --> 01:16:45,650
to put you out the window so you can

1843
01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:47,870
maybe hear it a bit better because it's

1844
01:16:54,970 --> 01:16:52,100
really quite loud so i'm currently

1845
01:16:57,550 --> 01:16:54,980
leaning out my front window to the left

1846
01:17:01,360 --> 01:16:57,560
of me i can see the skyline of the city

1847
01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:01,370
of sydney and 180 degrees to the right I

1848
01:17:09,010 --> 01:17:04,630
can see the runway of the airport and

1849
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,020
just above the city skyline but quite

1850
01:17:17,050 --> 01:17:11,440
close to my house is the place

1851
01:17:19,959 --> 01:17:17,060
helicopter I wonder if you operate the

1852
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:19,969
spotlight it is moving slightly but

1853
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:23,510
obviously they've found a target it

1854
01:17:28,209 --> 01:17:26,449
looks a little bit like it could be it's

1855
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difficult to judge distances especially

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at night it looks to me like it could be

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01:17:37,060 --> 01:17:35,389
maybe stanmore area I'm sort of on the

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:37,070
border of stand more impatient so I

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:38,090
think it's on the other side of the

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train line which is north from here I'm

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01:17:46,330 --> 01:17:44,630
in the inner west so from the inner west

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if you look towards the harbour bridge

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is sort of in front of the harbour

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01:17:52,990 --> 01:17:50,929
bridge but close enough that I can

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01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:53,000
easily hear it and hope you guys can

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01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:56,510
hear it too so yeah I don't know what's

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01:18:03,790 --> 01:18:00,080
going on I mean um few months ago we had

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the buggy explosion here the bikie gang

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blew up

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01:18:11,230 --> 01:18:07,760
a barca game what their competitors

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headwaters which was about a kilometer

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01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:14,030
from my house some of you may remember I

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01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:17,810
tweeted about that I tweeted that I fell

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01:18:23,170 --> 01:18:21,410
out of bed that night and woke up on the

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floor and it turned out I had an excuse

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01:18:27,070 --> 01:18:25,520
the following day because some people

1877
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:27,080
had literally been blown out of their

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01:18:32,620 --> 01:18:28,850
beds because of the explosion that's how

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01:18:35,020 --> 01:18:32,630
strong it was Catherine Donaldson hello

1880
01:18:39,340 --> 01:18:35,030
Catherine suggested that perhaps I was

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01:18:42,190 --> 01:18:39,350
drunk now people would that ever happen

1882
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:42,200
with me absolutely disgraceful that she

1883
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:43,760
would accuse me of that thing I'm just

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01:18:53,140 --> 01:18:49,490
going to have a drink mmm mine from a

1885
01:18:55,540 --> 01:18:53,150
box is always good yeah so maybe it's

1886
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:55,550
the bike once again I don't know I seem

1887
01:19:00,640 --> 01:18:57,650
to have had a spate of fires in my

1888
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:00,650
street recently some of my tweeting

1889
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:02,690
friends would remember a while ago a

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01:19:09,010 --> 01:19:06,710
chocolate factory tragedy down the road

1891
01:19:11,890 --> 01:19:09,020
bent down and that caused us to have a

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01:19:14,530 --> 01:19:11,900
blackout for about six hours so I was

1893
01:19:17,260 --> 01:19:14,540
texting to Twitter to find out what was

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01:19:19,450 --> 01:19:17,270
happening and luckily my friends came to

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01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:19,460
my rescue and told me what had happened

1896
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:22,250
there and then a few weeks after that I

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01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:24,170
woke up at five thirty in the morning to

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01:19:30,370 --> 01:19:27,410
find a car on fire outside my house and

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I had to call the fire brigade and then

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01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:31,880
a week after that a house down the road

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01:19:37,210 --> 01:19:34,010
was on fire and the fire brigade came

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01:19:39,850 --> 01:19:37,220
again so yeah I mean I'm thinking of

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01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:39,860
moving to New York next year what are

1904
01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:41,090
you guys reckon do you think it'll be

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01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:42,590
any different well I feel just

1906
01:19:58,740 --> 01:19:55,830
Oh Richard why did you have to put that

1907
01:20:00,690 --> 01:19:58,750
in the show so Reggie that helicopter

1908
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:00,700
was buzzing your house but you said to

1909
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:01,930
you since learned what that was all

1910
01:20:06,630 --> 01:20:04,210
about yes I have in fact I went to my

1911
01:20:10,860 --> 01:20:06,640
local cafe this morning to grab myself a

1912
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:10,870
coffee and the the guys who run the cafe

1913
01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:13,510
told me that the police helicopter was

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01:20:17,610 --> 01:20:15,490
there because the pub across the road

1915
01:20:21,420 --> 01:20:17,620
from the cafe was held up at gunpoint

1916
01:20:23,610 --> 01:20:21,430
last night hmm it's a heaven before to

1917
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,620
this particular hotel but apparently it

1918
01:20:29,610 --> 01:20:25,360
was stormed at about eleven-thirty by

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01:20:31,230 --> 01:20:29,620
about three men with guns Wow they

1920
01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:31,240
forced all the staff into the cool room

1921
01:20:36,270 --> 01:20:33,220
and locked them in the call room well

1922
01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:36,280
that'll be on the news tonight probably

1923
01:20:40,620 --> 01:20:38,500
I guess it will be here as like I

1924
01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:40,630
checked on the internet just earlier I

1925
01:20:45,210 --> 01:20:42,760
didn't find anything but yeah it should

1926
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:45,220
be Oh scoop for the skeptic zone oh yeah

1927
01:20:49,980 --> 01:20:47,050
I didn't realize we were kidding escape

1928
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:49,990
to a new sporting a drummer and crime in

1929
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:52,090
the streets well it's apparently two of

1930
01:20:55,860 --> 01:20:54,730
the offenders have been apprehended but

1931
01:20:58,290 --> 01:20:55,870
they're still looking for one I think

1932
01:21:01,440 --> 01:20:58,300
but yeah I just heard this from my boys

1933
01:21:03,570 --> 01:21:01,450
at the cafe not grout and that's it was

1934
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:03,580
really close to my house oh well thank

1935
01:21:06,150 --> 01:21:04,960
you for doing that special report I'll

1936
01:21:07,770 --> 01:21:06,160
look I'm also an investigative

1937
01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:07,780
journalist Richard you know amongst

1938
01:21:12,420 --> 01:21:09,820
other things so it's not a problem now

1939
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:12,430
we sort of were teasing people earlier

1940
01:21:16,530 --> 01:21:14,890
on in the think tank about a special

1941
01:21:18,420 --> 01:21:16,540
guest coming up but I've got to slowly

1942
01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:18,430
go to spill the beans it's so special we

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01:21:23,790 --> 01:21:21,220
do in a 10-week excitedly us on the

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01:21:25,470 --> 01:21:23,800
first of May on the first of May the

1945
01:21:29,310 --> 01:21:25,480
skeptic Zone episode our special guest

1946
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:29,320
is Stephen Fry yes mr. slave and fry and

1947
01:21:34,050 --> 01:21:31,120
he's such a nice man I can't even begin

1948
01:21:35,940 --> 01:21:34,060
to explain he really is and he gives a

1949
01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:35,950
wonderful interview and he's going to be

1950
01:21:40,710 --> 01:21:38,860
talking to our Kylie Sturgis and yeah he

1951
01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:40,720
is so generous with his time and yeah

1952
01:21:46,380 --> 01:21:43,480
he's it was a big backstory to this

1953
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,390
phone yeah whatever no no we might give

1954
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:48,400
Alice's a bit more information one day

1955
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:51,010
on the during that podcast or maybe the

1956
01:21:55,230 --> 01:21:53,110
story of how we got Stephen Fry yeah

1957
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:55,240
yeah but it's great now a wonderful man

1958
01:21:59,100 --> 01:21:57,250
so that's to look forward to in two

1959
01:22:00,400 --> 01:21:59,110
weeks time but in one week time as we

1960
01:22:01,780 --> 01:22:00,410
said before we have robbed

1961
01:22:03,730 --> 01:22:01,790
person from the curiosity show all

1962
01:22:07,780 --> 01:22:03,740
listen listen can you hear that that's

1963
01:22:09,370 --> 01:22:07,790
the curiosity show theme that takes me

1964
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:09,380
back that takes me back to my school

1965
01:22:13,180 --> 01:22:11,510
days when I used to run home and plop

1966
01:22:15,190 --> 01:22:13,190
myself down in front of the TV to watch

1967
01:22:16,660 --> 01:22:15,200
the curiosity show well thank you Ray

1968
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:16,670
chief or filling in for Stefan you're

1969
01:22:20,530 --> 01:22:19,010
welcome Richard and thank you everybody

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01:22:21,790 --> 01:22:20,540
for downloading the skipping stone

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01:22:23,740 --> 01:22:21,800
please tell your friends and your

1972
01:22:26,020 --> 01:22:23,750
enemies about the show and don't forget

1973
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:26,030
that our next shows big and I'll show

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01:22:35,140 --> 01:22:28,970
off that's even bigger yes bundle in bye

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01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:35,150
bye you've been listening to the skeptic

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01:22:42,910 --> 01:22:39,110
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